I want this pretzel loop stuff settled once and fo

I haven't been able to find any conclusive evidence of this so-called "modified" pretzel loop. Can someone please show me proof or support one way or the other what it will be?

If this is a repeat topic, I couldn't find a thread about it searching.

EDIT: Well, I pasted the title in, but I meant it to say: "I want this pretzel loop debate settled once and for all!"

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*** This post was edited by General Public 2/22/2003 3:36:43 AM ***

I'm not sure if the inversion itself has been changed in any way but I'm sure that the turn right after the inversion is changed. On Superman: Ultimate Fligt at SFoG the turn is pretty much flat and then a drop through the pretzel. But on the new Supermen the turn is changed.

The original Superman: http://www.playride.com/new2002/mvc094s.jpg

The new Superman: http://www.gadv.com/SUF21503s.jpg

Another modification is that they have moved the first trim to another location.

It could be the angle from the picture, but it also looks like the entry side of the pretzel goes higher up than the exit side of SFGadv's pretzel, more than likely to dissipate some speed before entering the inversion, thus cutting down on some g's. If you notice in the SFoG pic, it looks level.

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yes, the entry does seem much higher in the new ones and much tighter too.

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Matt the mutt 1989-2003
gimmie a hell yeah!

According to Theme Park Adventure which actually got a construction tour by Susie Storey the pretzel loop will be modified. The base will go below ground for less g's. This for the one at SFGAM and the one at SFGAD will probably be the same. I hope that helps. The site seems pretty accurate.

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Mike
Favorite Wood: Viper at SFGAM,Shivering Timbers
Favorite Steel: Magnum and Raging Bull

Yeah the drop has been changed, so we cannot say they are clones with SFOG

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I was going to say the same thin, coaster895. SFoG's pretzel loop touches the ground while the new ones at SFGAm and GAdv dip below grade level. That, combimed with the larger pull-out and curved up entrance make the loop larger, thereby decreasing the G-load...

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SFoG's Superman was supposed to go below grade just like the new ones are doing. When SFoG tried to clear out the dip in the ground it was discovered that there was nothing but rock undereath it. Therefore, the entire ride was lifted 10 or 15 feet causing the bottom of the pretzel loop to be at ground level. If I'm not mistaken, the bottom of the pretzel loop, the dive under the brake run, and the dive into the helix were all supposed to go below grade.

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i read that SFGAm's and SFGAdv's were 30ft longer as well because of this modification.

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I've ridden SFoG's Superman, and can honestly say that even if it was a construction problem that forced the loop to be where it is now, you don't hear a soul complain about it during the ride :) I mean, that pretzel loop has to be my all time favorite inversion, it is amazing, and the Gs it pulls are out of this world, it combines a quick pop of negative Gs and some good Positives at the bottom...You guys in New Jersey and Illinois are going to love it! :)

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The *reason* that you can say "you don't hear a soul complain about it during the ride" is because the wind is sucked out of the riders during that pretzel loop...:). MFX hit the nail on the head, if you're getting to ride one of these for the first time, be prepared...with an extra vertical "standard vertical loop and a nice finishing helix (upward of course, it IS Superman...and it would help "bleed off" some speed) it would easily be the best Beemer ever....(and I'm not even really a *fan* of the prone position).

Looks like the turn after the pretzel loop has been stretched out a little, seems to go out further than the one at sfog. It could be the angle that i am looking at but thats what i see is different besides the pullout and stuff.

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*** This post was edited by Phillip 2/22/2003 11:22:55 PM ***

The turn after the pretzal loop is different (I saw the ride today), it sort of swoops up before it makes the dive inbetween the pretzal loop. It looks better IMO.

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