Hydra inversion clarification:

Ok, just to clarify-We're not calling this an inversion right?

http://www.dorneypark.com/_upload/images/galleries/images/construction_101704C.jpg

It's clearly an overbanked turn. Right?

Bueller? *** Edited 12/28/2004 1:11:04 AM UTC by slowmotion*** *** Edited 12/28/2004 4:09:36 PM UTC by slowmotion***

It doesn't freaking matter, right?

We don't need useless debate, right?

Heaven forbid we have useless debate on a site like this, right? ;)
I know that Cedar Point considers the same element an inversion on Mantis. I believe they call it an inclined loop.

Chill, Adix. Do you have something more important to talk about? In my opinion this is an overbanked turn and not an inversion.

I vote that it's a dooflotchie. That's just me though, and I've been wrong before.

I've often thought the same thing...but I guess we'll have to ride the coaster to see for ourselves, whether it feels like an inversion or not.

This is another one of those discussions...like whether or not M:TR is a great ride...like whether or not Kingda Ka will be a one-trick pony or two...what the SF flagship park is...there's really no true answer!

Except the obvious ones ;)

Aren't I so confusing? :) ;)

So confusing I lost you after I've. ;)

Eh-I think its pretty valid-I mean, its just funny that they'll claim it as an inversion when its just about as inverted as Mr. Freeze's overbanked turn. *** Edited 12/28/2004 2:50:44 AM UTC by slowmotion***

So who decided that an overbank is not an inversion?

I think that when you reach the point where your feet are above your head you are inverted. That is the rule in snow sports and I personaly would apply it to coasters as well.

Just my 2 cents.

The newly designed inversions on Hydra's cobra roll do not completely invert. Are those Two inversions or not?

Just adding fuel to the fire :)

IMHO once a train has rotated more than 90* from horiztontal so a rider's feet is above the rider's head, you have an inversion, regardless of if the train continues to revolve all the way back around to the 0* horizontal position or not.

Yes, that means by definition Millie has four inversions...so what? I don't think Cedar Point has ever denied that Millie has inversions...they simply choose to call the element an overbank turn, thus avoiding the term inversion altogether.

YMMV.

Couldnt you also add Silver Bullet's overbank in with the list also?

I think it will come down to which side of the train you will sit on. I agree that once you go past 90* you could technically call it an inversion.

1] Having ridden Silver Bullet yes, I would consider it an inversion as I've defined above.

2] How can it come down to which side of the train one is on? If the rider on the left is inverted to 122* then the rider on the right must be as well or those are pretty funky trains! One rider may be *higher off the ground* than the other, but both will be sitting at the same angle. Likewise, as the train passes that point in the track where it is overbanked to 122* all riders, regardless of seat or row, will be inverted to that position.

I really want a definitive answer to this question. More importantly, I want to know if S:TE is a coaster, and whether SFMM or Cedar Point has more coasters. I need closure.

If I was a mod, I would have the perfect response to that ;)

Oh give me a break, its off season-You guys need something to argue about and I'm just here to bring the 'nudge-nudge'.

:)

RCDB considers it an inversion, but I can't seem to find anything on the Dorney website that mentions whether they consider the "inclined dive loop" an inversion.

Speaking of the cobra roll, did MB create the inversions like that for smoothness or what?

It just looks cool and fits the terrain. :)

I'm guessing by calling it a loop they are trying to get people to think that is a inversion. Mr. Joe Schmo won't know what a inclined dive loop is and it is being disputed as an inversion. *** Edited 12/30/2004 3:49:22 AM UTC by Fastball84***