Hydra inversion clarification:

Monday, December 27, 2004 8:09 PM
Ok, just to clarify-We're not calling this an inversion right?

http://www.dorneypark.com/_upload/images/galleries/images/construction_101704C.jpg

It's clearly an overbanked turn. Right?

Bueller? *** Edited 12/28/2004 1:11:04 AM UTC by slowmotion*** *** Edited 12/28/2004 4:09:36 PM UTC by slowmotion***

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Monday, December 27, 2004 8:31 PM
It doesn't freaking matter, right?

We don't need useless debate, right?

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Monday, December 27, 2004 8:55 PM
Heaven forbid we have useless debate on a site like this, right? ;)
I know that Cedar Point considers the same element an inversion on Mantis. I believe they call it an inclined loop.
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Monday, December 27, 2004 8:56 PM
Chill, Adix. Do you have something more important to talk about? In my opinion this is an overbanked turn and not an inversion.
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Monday, December 27, 2004 9:07 PM
I vote that it's a dooflotchie. That's just me though, and I've been wrong before.
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Monday, December 27, 2004 9:24 PM
I've often thought the same thing...but I guess we'll have to ride the coaster to see for ourselves, whether it feels like an inversion or not.

This is another one of those discussions...like whether or not M:TR is a great ride...like whether or not Kingda Ka will be a one-trick pony or two...what the SF flagship park is...there's really no true answer!

Except the obvious ones ;)

Aren't I so confusing? :) ;)

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Monday, December 27, 2004 9:40 PM
So confusing I lost you after I've. ;)
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Monday, December 27, 2004 9:46 PM
Eh-I think its pretty valid-I mean, its just funny that they'll claim it as an inversion when its just about as inverted as Mr. Freeze's overbanked turn. *** Edited 12/28/2004 2:50:44 AM UTC by slowmotion***
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Monday, December 27, 2004 10:07 PM
So who decided that an overbank is not an inversion?

I think that when you reach the point where your feet are above your head you are inverted. That is the rule in snow sports and I personaly would apply it to coasters as well.

Just my 2 cents.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:47 AM
The newly designed inversions on Hydra's cobra roll do not completely invert. Are those Two inversions or not?

Just adding fuel to the fire :)

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:03 AM
IMHO once a train has rotated more than 90* from horiztontal so a rider's feet is above the rider's head, you have an inversion, regardless of if the train continues to revolve all the way back around to the 0* horizontal position or not.

Yes, that means by definition Millie has four inversions...so what? I don't think Cedar Point has ever denied that Millie has inversions...they simply choose to call the element an overbank turn, thus avoiding the term inversion altogether.

YMMV.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 8:58 AM
Couldnt you also add Silver Bullet's overbank in with the list also?

I think it will come down to which side of the train you will sit on. I agree that once you go past 90* you could technically call it an inversion.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:22 AM
1] Having ridden Silver Bullet yes, I would consider it an inversion as I've defined above.

2] How can it come down to which side of the train one is on? If the rider on the left is inverted to 122* then the rider on the right must be as well or those are pretty funky trains! One rider may be *higher off the ground* than the other, but both will be sitting at the same angle. Likewise, as the train passes that point in the track where it is overbanked to 122* all riders, regardless of seat or row, will be inverted to that position.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:40 AM
I really want a definitive answer to this question. More importantly, I want to know if S:TE is a coaster, and whether SFMM or Cedar Point has more coasters. I need closure.
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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:48 AM
If I was a mod, I would have the perfect response to that ;)
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Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:16 PM
Oh give me a break, its off season-You guys need something to argue about and I'm just here to bring the 'nudge-nudge'.

:)

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Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:19 PM
RCDB considers it an inversion, but I can't seem to find anything on the Dorney website that mentions whether they consider the "inclined dive loop" an inversion.
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Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:39 PM
Speaking of the cobra roll, did MB create the inversions like that for smoothness or what?
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Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:49 PM
It just looks cool and fits the terrain. :)
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Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:30 PM
I'm guessing by calling it a loop they are trying to get people to think that is a inversion. Mr. Joe Schmo won't know what a inclined dive loop is and it is being disputed as an inversion. *** Edited 12/30/2004 3:49:22 AM UTC by Fastball84***
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