I've been thinking a lot about this topic and what comes to my mind is SFMM will eventually end up winning the CP SFMM war(so to speak). Cedar Point is a great park one of my favorites, but they are just out of room from what I'm seeing. Unless they tear down the hotels or a ride they won't be able to keep up with SFMM who has tons of surronding land to purchase and very unique rides. If Cedar Point has to tear down a ride to make a new one in the future I would prefer it be Diaster Transport, CC Mine Ride, or Blue Streak. All of those aren't really anything anymore. I just want to get your imputs on this issue and I'll probabally post more. So what do you guys think?
I agree, MarimbaGuy. In addition, I was just out at SFMM this spring, and they are the ones acting like they are out of room. The latest rides are in the parking lot, and the angle parking lines are still visible (!) Pretty chincy if you ask me. There's a lot more to a good park than quantity. I think, except for X and Riddler's Revenge, their older rides are the best.
I have it on good authority that CP is waiting until the great midwestern earthquake of 2006. Then, as the bed of Lake Erie raises from the depths, CP will have many, many acres of new land to expand upon.
SFMM, on the other hand, is due to fall into the ocean. ------------------ --Maddie-- What do I Listen-To?
It's a pretty weak topic though, even for a flame war.
Neither park is even close to being out of room, both parks have coasters that should/will be removed at some point, and finally, if TTD and X are any indication, both parks will have their hands plenty full over the next two seasons or so.
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*Something* wicked this way comes...to the west coast in 2004!
But cedar point isnt close to out of room tehy have plenty of room, at least for another good 5-6 coasters, and when that is used I would like to see another park built right by CP like Universal Studios that would be cool and would open up a whole new world of expansion.
As for SFMM I have never been there so i have no say in what they are gonna do...
Id say there not really competitors they both lay claim to have the most coasters, but I have never seem them in a blood battle, that only seems to happen with the park loyalists, I'd say that CP and SFWOA are competitors, just because there only and hour or so apart, Id think if SF and Cedar Fair were playing into a competition, id think the SF would either go all out on WOA or CF woudl go all out and Knotts, which doesnt seem to be happening, but like it matters if both parks keep building great coasters than all the better, the more to ride, now if they were in a bolld war which i dont see wouldnt that mean that one day one park will draw the others buisness and eventually lead to the demise of one of those parks, as well as Cedar Points space,that park is bigger than it seems, I remember back in the early 80's when i was a kid, people were saying they were out of room, and back then they only had the blue streak, corksrew, gemini and mine ride, and maybe one other, and look what theyve done since, remember its a buisness and they will always find room to expand. But over all I prefer CP ove MM, I just wish CP would cut out of the record breaker buis for awhile and just build one hell of a woodie, the Mean Streak and Blue Streak dont cut it for me, thats what they need. I just find it amazing that CF keeps putting all this into a seasonal park, along with the twisted weather the south shores of lake erie has. As far as removing coasters I dont think either park will unless they plan on putting 2 in, in one season, they both want to lay claim to having the largest collection, personally both parks can probably get ride of half the coasters with really no problems in gate sales, since rides like the CC mine ride and CorkScrew are pretty tame by todays standards. and the corkscrew hurts , bad! Im also wondering when eithe rpark is gonna run into money probs especially since the coasters are ranging into the 25+millions. *** This post was edited by Fxnib 7/1/2003 1:14:55 AM ***
Come on you guys just look. Every year SFMM and CP try and get one up on the other by building a really unique coaster or a record breaker. Just look at what has come out in those two parks oin the last 3 to 4 years to try and stay ahead of the other.
Why3289 said: LOL I am sorry but what is a flame war??
Hehe. It's good to see someone here that is still in touch with reality. A flame war is when people take sides and they fight over which park/coaster is better. Though most of the time, flame wars never happen, it's just people complaining that they're going to happen.
And for the record, I think they are competing. That's right, I'm not afraid to admit that, either! I don't feel space is an issue though. The issue I think the parks are competing against, is the best ride. S:TE is 415 feet and TTD is 420 feet. I guarantee if S:TE was never made, CP would have made TTD shorter, maybe just past the 400 ft. mark.
I have been to both parks, and each of them are spectacular in their own ways. The coasters arms race in the industry has caused a boom of bizzare takes on the traditional rollercoaster, or just taking that traditional coaster to faster speeds, and higher heights. Only good things can come out of this "pushing the envelope" for us enthusiasts.
As for the person who said Magic Mountain has all that surrounding land to develop onto in the future, that's a common misconception. The land surrounding the park is owned by Newhall Land Developers (the same company that founded Magic Mountain before it went Six Flags) and is currently being developed into apartment/village/condo buildings. If you've visited Valencia recently, you would have seen that they are making good progress of doing so, and are moving ever so much closer towards Magic Mountain. Get ready for the whiny neighbors. Knott's and Magic Mountain will finally share something in common.
I thought CP was out of room before they built MF. With a little rearranging and lots of careful planning, I'm sure Cp can fit in several more coasters. When you really look at it, they have planty of room on the Frontier Trail by MF. All they have to do is find a new place to relocate all the stuff that is already there. There is also room for a thrill ride where Vertigo used to be before it came crashing down. I never thought to put TTD where they did. I'm sure they have spots for a virtually unlimited amount of roller coasters as long as they keep relocating their rides to make the best fit.