How much more is a giga than a hyper?

Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:41 AM
Hyper coasters are poping up all over the place at hights around 250 feet and theres only 2 gigas in the world. How much more does it cost for another 50 feet?
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:04 AM
I think it would depend of the size of the coaster. MF seemed expensive for the size of it, its not very long, it is but its really not.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:32 AM
I'm not sure but my guess is to have a 50 ft taller coaster it would cost about half a million more. I wouldn't know, this is my opinion.

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You can't run and you can't hide...Son of Beast
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 10:39 AM
I know one thing, Japan payed 25 Million more than Cedar Point did for a cosater that is only 7' 11" taller.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:01 AM
thats crazy joe e.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:05 AM
The simple answer is "a lot more." But, there are tons of variables involved with building ANY coaster, not to mention one above the 300' mark. Like Joe E. stated MF was about $25 Million, and SD was $50 Million. Then again, SD is quite a bit longer than MF.

So far, there is no pattern in the cost 300 footers, it depends on too many things to determine "average cost."

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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:07 AM
Yeah, but remember, they are always having intense earthquakes over there. I know that probably doesn't account for all the extra money, but it probably has a lot to do with it.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:17 AM
SD does not have a long run close to the ground like Millie, so you have to factor in the extra cost of steel in the supports. It has more vertical changes throughout the ride that require more material.

Scott
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:40 PM
It really depends on the design. Look at MF and then look a SD2K. SD2K's lift hill supports are spread out, almost like a tall wooden coaster. Millennium Force uses just towers with spread out bases. In addition to that, SD2K goes up about 30 degree's and down around 60. MF goes up 45 and down 80 which makes SD2K's lift a monster compared it.

I'm not sure where SD2K was made, but transporting track or goods over the worlds biggest ocean is not Cheap. I think that that is probably the biggest reason why SD2K cost so much.

It totally depends on the coaster design and type, so I would say there is no real formula for figuring out the coast of a coaster by it's height. Isn't S:TE cheaper than both of these anyway?
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:49 PM
SD2k's drop is 68 Degrees.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:24 PM
Also, I don't know how much this effects the bottom line, but aren't Japanese coasters required to have a catwalk along the entire ride? Or am I just dreaming... ;)

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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:46 PM
Have you seen the supports on SD2K??? Those things are massive! The extra support width and the added support structure to the side of the lift hill cost a lot extra. Not to mention the length of the lift. Millennium Force's track required a minimal ammount of supports with the track's rigid design(see the island cross-over hills). SD2K on the other hand required closely spaced supports to handle it's extra large spine. The extra supports were added to prevent damage during an earthquake.

I have a feeling that if MF was designed to be 750 ft. as Intamin said it could be, it would only cost a little more, or around the same as SD2K did. Due to MF's rigid design, it would take much fewer supports, which would require much less money.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:18 PM
I don't think the big problem is money, but one of community approval. There have been many fights over 200 ft. tall hypercoasters. I think the chances of many more giga coasters being built are pretty slim, unless you can relocate all the neighbors and the airports. Some people consider a lift hill an eyesore.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:04 PM
An eyesore??? That's just about the greatest insult to coaster freaks like us!

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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:16 PM

Joe E. said:
"I know one thing, Japan payed 25 Million more than Cedar Point did for a cosater that is only 7' 11" taller."


Wow, from what I understand the coaster SD2k wasn't even that much better.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:28 PM
steel dragon is only 311 feet tall, says guineess so i guess its onal a foot taller and 25 million more bones
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:30 PM
Heres what i know about sd2k and MF. Millinnium force coast alot for two resons in general They had to move the Giant Wheel. and they made new technology for it(elevator Lift System, and Magnetic brakes not new but expensive. Also there are alot of trees at Cedar Point Which cost money to chop down. SD24 cost alot becuase of the Lift Hill. First Lift Chains are massive and cost lots of money. The sherwe tunage of the Lift Chain is massive the chain alone may weigh up to 4-5 tons on just a hyper coaster. magnify that by by another 118 ft and only at a 30 degree ligt now thats heavy. Also sd24 is alot longer than Millenium Force. And yes insurance on that Roller Coaster is massive becuase of all the earth qaukes and tysnamies. Also they have to be able to withstand a like 7.0 earth quake over there other wise u just payed 60 million dollars for some blocks that fall down.
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Tuesday, February 13, 2001 6:25 PM

Flds said:
"Heres what i know about sd2k and MF. Millinnium force coast alot for two resons in general They had to move the Giant Wheel. and they made new technology for it(elevator Lift System, and Magnetic brakes not new but expensive. Also there are alot of trees at Cedar Point Which cost money to chop down."
That's a lot of unqualified statements about information you don't have. The Giant Wheel relocation was part of an overall cap-ex expenditure of about $4 million, which included landscaping and infrastructure changes, including site prep., as well as the Bay Harbor restaurant renovation. Do you want to explain why magnetic brakes are expensive? Do you want to tell me how much of the $25 million went toward R&D for the lift system?


Flds said:
"SD24 cost alot becuase of the Lift Hill. First Lift Chains are massive and cost lots of money. The sherwe tunage of the Lift Chain is massive the chain alone may weigh up to 4-5 tons on just a hyper coaster. magnify that by by another 118 ft and only at a 30 degree ligt now thats heavy. Also sd24 is alot longer than Millenium Force. And yes insurance on that Roller Coaster is massive becuase of all the earth qaukes and tysnamies. Also they have to be able to withstand a like 7.0 earth quake over there other wise u just payed 60 million dollars for some blocks that fall down."
How much do lift chains cost? What is "sherwe tunage?" Are you aware that the ride has two lift chains, thereby creating two systems that are actually shorter than Magnum's? The only thing you got right was the earthquake measures. The structure of Steel Dragon is massive compared to that of Millennium Force.

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