How much land @ sfmm?

Monday, August 20, 2001 8:45 PM
I go to sfmm countless times a year and when on RR, B:TR  or even psyclone I can't get over the amount of land sfmm over looks and I was wondering  if all that land back their is owned by sfmm? If so I guess we can look for some good expansions in the near future!  
Monday, August 20, 2001 8:53 PM
I'm pretty sure that SF has bought that land already or is going to buy it. I've seen pics of the land around the park. Looks like MM can expend for the years to come.

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Monday, August 20, 2001 9:00 PM
with how many houses that have gone up in Valencia around SFMM, it's suspicious that there aren't any houses behind the park.  SFMM must own that, or else it would have been built on by buisnesses and home contractors a long time ago with how fast california is growing.
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Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:25 AM
Anyone else know?
Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:49 AM
Am I all alone hear?!
Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:01 AM
It's amazing how much barren dry empty hills of land is sitting around Magic Mountain. The closest business store or house is still quite a few miles away south of the park. The park is literally sitting in the middle of nowhere. But I'm not sure if the corporation owns any of the land surrounding the park, but I'm sure they own a few parcels as of this post.
Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:22 PM
Soggy's avatar This is all "second hand information," so don't blast me if I get something incorrect here.

For most of the life of the park, the "dry scrub" around SFMM has been owned by a farming co-op called Newhall Land Development (or something to that effect) They were the original owners until Six Flags took over. [in 1978(?)] Up until this season you could see cows grazing only a few feet from Viper's footers! I think at the end of last season Six Flags actually purchased the land surrounding the park, and started building access roads to the newly aquired land. If expantion happens, it would most likely go outward toward where X is, then around and behind Roaring Rapids.

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Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:56 PM
You are partially right. Newhall Land and Farming Co. (with the help of Sea World) built the park as the center of its new masterplanned community called Valencia. The area has since grown into the township of Valencia with several masterplanned communities developing around the park. Newhall Land and Farming no longer owns the park, BUT ownes a lot of the land that SFMM hasn't bought yet.
Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:13 PM
i heard that farmers own that land, and have put a huge price tag on it, knowing how valuable it is to companys like Six Flags
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Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:38 PM
Yeah, it's farm land, not SF, and it is highly priced, I can confirm all of that, so unless SF is ready to shell out some big cash, then don't expect to see them build anything over there. Maybe someday though.
Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:48 PM
Farm land huh, ohh and by the way there are some new houses going up by the mountain. Right now the nearest houses to it are Stevensons Ranch . But i heard that Newhall Farm, and Land sells the mountain pretty cheap land, cuase as we all know Enntertainment sells houses.
Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:12 PM
The park owns to were the fences are and the area surrounding the park i "hate" to say is own by a future housing area. Hint why do you think they are building ride so close together, like the rest of SoCal parks SFMM would have to build in the parking lot. 

For ex, Goliath built between a tight space from Collossus and S:TE

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Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:33 PM
No to mention that They Have a HUGE and i mean HUGE PARKING LOT.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:34 AM
Does anyone know where there are overhead pictures of the park?  I've never been and I'm curious about the layout.
Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:41 AM
Soggy's avatar Can't these home builders learn form their past mistakes? Look at Knott's Berry Farm.
· When Knott's started, there was NOTHING around them.
· Knotts then becomes a destination.
· Builders build houses right up to the edge of Knott's property
· The new home owners complain about the noise fron the park.
· The park is forced to tame or modify their rides to quell the locals home owners, even though Knott's was there first.

If Newhall builds houses near enough to SFMM, the people will complain about noise, and you KNOW that is not good for coaster lovers. I hope that SFMM did buy some of the surrounding land. Does anyone know for sure how much they do really own?

"X" marks the spot in 2001!

Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:53 AM
They DO own SOME of the surrounding land, but there's a lot that they don't. Personally, these people will know that park is there when they move in. Newhall's marketing clearly states that the entertainment centers of Six Flags Magic Mountain and Valencia Town Center are nearby. Now the problem comes when poeple decide to ignore what they have been told.
Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:25 AM
I am telling you they own to were there fences are,  it is own by an oil company, and soon to be a new area housing.  Housing developers don't care were SF is all they care about money selling home.  Can't you tell, if they really own all that land why did the cram all new rides were old rides are...
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Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:30 AM

Other things to consider: 
1. A park doesnt want to be T spread out. attractions should be close together.
2. If you go up the sky tower you can get a great view of what is around the park. There are areas that new attractions can be squeezed into, but i wouldnt expect to see them expand too much outside the fences if at all. 
3. There is quite a large area behing Viper & roaring rapids that SF DES own. This is where they launch the fireworks from. You'll notice that Viper is closed during the fireworks display. If they do away with the fireworks, or relocate the launching area, they could fit 2-4 coasters back there.
4. There is a lot of area on/around the center mountain that can house a terrain based coaster, or tunnel through it.
5. X was built over the SMALL "Tour Bus" Parking area (Someplace I would never have thought to put a coaster). A new concept: PARKING GARAGE will open up HUGE amounts of space in the parking lot.
6. AS long as SFMM can FIND someplace on their existing land to put an attraction, they won't purchase outside land.
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