How is WBMW Madrid doing?

Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:11 PM
Does anybody have any idea how well Warner Bros Movie World Madrid is doing? I just can't help but wonder how the park is doing attendance wise. I don't think they are nearly as successful as Port Adventura, but they have quite a coaster lineup. The park doesn't really look like it could appeal to families but I could be wrong.

And if this park is not doing well could it be another example of Six Flags overspending?

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Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:40 PM
If I lived there I would go. Actually, the only reason Im still taking spanish is so someday I could maybe go there.

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Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:56 PM
Peachy!

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Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:31 PM
I was there about two months ago.

http://www.bannister.org/coasters/trips/200309-dorada/

Seems in good enough shape to me.

Regards,
Richard

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Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:28 PM
According to Amusement Business, 1 950 000 visitors in 2002. Not bad, many people (including Madrilians) don't even know the park exists. Or they think it's for kids, because the commercials show alot of Looney Tunes.

Changing the ads could get them up to 2 500 000 easily.

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*** This post was edited by Belgian 10/31/2003 9:33:45 AM ***

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Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:46 PM
Belgian, could you give your source, please.

I know that SF is not giving away attendance figures, and most numbers are guesstimates. The park is actually never really crowded and the coasters are mostly walk ons. Water rides can have a two hour wait, though.

But the given number could well be true. Its not a satisfying figure for a park of this size.

@Scream Machine: SF did not spend too much money on the park. The money was brought up by a spanish bank-consortium. SF has mainly a managing deal which results in a 5% ownership. Not that mucho, if you ask me.

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Friday, October 31, 2003 12:43 AM
When you go to the park it always feels really empty but then when the big show happens around the lake you actually get a feel for how many people are there. I think the park is really good at swallowing crowds.

It really is a nice park!

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Friday, October 31, 2003 4:35 AM

tricktrack said:
Belgian, could you give your source, please.

I'm sorry, Amusement Business, I editted the message.

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*** This post was edited by Belgian 10/31/2003 9:36:12 AM ***

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Friday, October 31, 2003 8:55 AM

tricktrack said:

@Scream Machine: SF did not spend too much money on the park. The money was brought up by a spanish bank-consortium. SF has mainly a managing deal which results in a 5% ownership. Not that mucho, if you ask me.

Yeah I found out later that there were actually private investors who really are the owners and the ones who spearheaded the project. I also found out that the park cost $400 million to build.

That's gotta be bad for the investors though if the roller coasters are mostly walk ons and the park is not usually that crowded. Would it be safe to say the park was a failure or is not catering to the family audience?

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Friday, October 31, 2003 9:03 AM
The coaster lineup looks impressive, what a shame if this park isn't doing well. That Superman Floorless looks incredible.

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Friday, October 31, 2003 9:20 AM
I don´t know if the park is a failure, but I would say it is in a difficult market. Madrid IS a stunning, wonderful city but its in the centre of the country. Its not a massive holiday destination like Barcelona and the beach areas. Tourists might come for three days to take in the city and the many cultural offerings. If you have the desire to visit an amusement park you will most likely go to the lovely parc d´attraciones in the centre of the city.

Spaniards are family people and they tend to have big families, so a visit to MW can get quite expensive. The lack of trees and the overly present SF/Warner culture can lead to a sort of alienation among older family members.

I guess another park that looks great but doesn´t seem to work as planned is TERRA MITICA, which is literally a ghost town, even in the holiday location it is in.

Port Aventura seems to do quite good, but I fear this could end when they build the second park next door. This never seems to work lately (see Paris, Anaheim)

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Sunday, November 2, 2003 6:05 AM
Second parks can work if they are done properly. What's WDW? Tokyo seems to be working too. Paris didn't work because the park was barely scraping by as it was, and Anaheim didn't work because the second park was underdone. If they build the second park right and it get the right marketing then it should make the first even more successful.
*** This post was edited by rolacostaking 11/2/2003 11:06:30 AM ***
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Sunday, November 2, 2003 11:55 AM
I would quite like to visit WBMW in the near future, along with Port Aventura and Terra Mitica and Parque de Attractiones.

WBMW looks like a very good park, but doesn't seem to have one ride that stands out in the park. The B&M Floorless looks very good (no brakerun at least) but apart from that and the Batman clone, there doesn't seem to be much else that inspires the imagination. Stunt Fall is nearly always closed according to many reports I've heard of late. The park doesn't seem to have too many weaknessess, but it doesn't seem to have many strengths either.


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Sunday, November 2, 2003 12:09 PM
The Batman clone is easily the best of the B:TR rides I've been on. It's significantly more intense than its american cousins.
-R

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Monday, November 3, 2003 4:48 AM
If the park is pulling in about 2 million visitors a year, I wouldn't call the park a failure. Most Six Flags parks (and probably most CF parks, for that matter) don't see that kind of attendance. Plus, some parks need time for people to realize that its worth a visit.

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Monday, November 3, 2003 6:12 PM

Richard Bannister said:
The Batman clone is easily the best of the B:TR rides I've been on. It's significantly more intense than its american cousins.
-R

That's probably because it is the newest of them all.

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Thursday, November 6, 2003 12:27 PM
I think Movie World has been a successful park - whilst I have visited when it has been quiet, there have also been times where it's been fairly full, too. I just think it copes well with crowds.

Superman is absolutely fantastic, and most of the rides are very good, too. The Rapids are good for standard ones, Rio Bravo (log flume) is good fun too, and one of the better European flume rides.

It has a good mix of rides and some excellent theming in places.

kRaXLeRidAh, not sure why Batman being newer would mean it would be more intense (unless I've misunderstood). Surely a ride gets more intense over time? Plus it only has seven cars which I would have thought would make it less intense in the back.

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Thursday, November 6, 2003 12:39 PM
Marcus,

I dunno - it felt significantly more forceful to me than the three other B:TRs I've ridden.

Conversely, Superman did nothing for me; I preferred Superman at Fiesta Texas by a large margin.

R

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Thursday, November 6, 2003 1:10 PM
Actually age probably has little to do with it. Most likely it has to do with maintenance or wheel composition... I've been on three Batmans and they were all rather different. Yet, the newest one of the batch I found to be the least intense.
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Thursday, November 6, 2003 10:40 PM
What didn't you like about Superman, Richard? Did it just not 'click' with you? I agree that it was a little slow and jerky towards the beginning of it's life (not sure when you rode), but it is now a favourite of mine due to the excellent inversions and huge amount of airtime throughout. There are also some excellent turns.

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