How is SFGAM not among the top attendance parks?

Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:38 PM

This place gets more people than any other park I have been to, other than Disney and Universal.

Does anyone else agree?

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:49 PM

Well, it is seasonal, which contributes to the low attendance rates. In fact, being up here, it is only open from May through October. Many other seasonal parks are open longer.

Also, unlike Cedar Point, which has hotels on property, and parks like Busch Tampa or Williamsburg, which are in tourist-y areas in the first place, Gurnee, Illinois is not a tourist metropolis. In fact, aside from the park, and the Mills, it is not in a great location for staying overnight.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:51 PM
Yeah and the season is rather short in comparison to the few highly ranked seasonal parks, such as SFGAdv which is open from march til november.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:57 PM

That is an excellent question. I have personally never been to a park outside Disney that was as crowded as SFGAM (at least the last time I was there.) The wait for Batman was nearly 4 hours long! Yikes!

Shaggy

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:03 PM

A lot of that has to do with the park's tiny size (125 acres or so) for a city the size of Chicago.

Of course, another factor is non-CP ride capacity (for instance, only two trains on their B&M coasters).

Frankly, a park that small in a metro area that large with no competition (worth mentioning) doesn't need to run up attendance records...only profits. They are perhaps the only Six Flags park that really doesn't need you to show up. They'll draw 3 million guests if they set half the park on fire. What a gold mine.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:22 PM

Shaggy - Never, ever, ever, ever, ever go on the Memorial Day Sunday... I made that mistake, and I deeply regret it.

First off, a 4-hr. wait for Batman is not really out of the ordinary on a crowded weekend, because of the queue problems. When you get to the top tunnel (that empties to the right into the station), the line splits into two, right for front seat, left for the other 7 rows. Most of the park guests don't really understand this, and on crowded days, a bottleneck is nearly always created there by people waiting in the front-seat line, not aware that there are 7 other decent rows. Maybe you've noticed those constant messages played in the queue ("if you're waiting for the front...")

They also, now, have a bunch of rides with bad capacity for one reason or another. V2, Deja Vu being the shuttles, Iron Wolf (terrible loading procedure), Viper (with two trains and a relatively long course, one always sits in the station for a while), and Whizzer (look at the seating config, and get back to me.)

Geographically, it is near Chicago, which is a huge city (duh.) Lots of locals visit the park, as well as kids bussed in by their parents. If you think it is bad halfway through the day, you should try the park at 10:00 A.M. Short of the run for MF at CP, I have never seen more uncontrolled madness at a park in my life. Everyone and their mother runs for V2 (Deja Vu this year, but they usually run the entire park when they realize it's not open.)

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:24 PM
Im guessing because not as many people go there as they do to other places
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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:43 PM

CoastaPlaya said:

A lot of that has to do with the park's tiny size (125 acres or so) for a city the size of Chicago.



Not to mention Milwaukee, Madison, Rockford, etc. Hell, we stopped in Springfield, Il on the way to SFStL this weekend, and they had SFGAm Coke cans in the gas stations.

It really blows my mind sometimes that there isn't any real competition around. I think someone could make some serious cash if they wanted to, but there must be something I'm not aware of that's preventing it.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:00 PM
....and here I was wondering how Jill would keep herself occupied while I was takinh my umpteenth spin on Viper....LOL.
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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:07 PM

Ragingusmc No reason to insult the whole area!!!!

I think the park could be more popular if it was more kid/family friendly, and until it is it wont put up numbers like wdw or universal(but to be fair only being a seasonal park it has no chance to come close to reaching those numbers).

The park needs family attractions like Haunted Mansion/Pirates at wdw, with that type of quality. But instead they give their customers old simulator rides and Imax films!!! The parks knows they will get good business without improving much so they dont . They take their guests for granted, escpecially their season passholders!!

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:22 PM

Bob O

I'm not trying to insult the area, after all I lived here my whole life. I was merly trying to make light of the topic of tourism. But apparently the "MODS" think diffrently.

I agree with you as far as attractions. And as it's been said many times before without competition SFGAM can do what ever they want and still bring in people.

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:24 PM
In fact i just saw a list from Amusement Busniess Magizene and they rated SFGAM attendance for 2001 as 2,900,000 and that ranked 23 out of the top 50 parks in attendance in the US.
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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 6:08 PM
Yeah a net ride like Disney's HM and PotC would be cool. SFSTL has a new Scooby Doo dark ride that is just awesome (a boat, with zappers kind of like a MIB or Buzz Spaceranger Spin) The only problem with that is, our guests would rip the thing to peices. The inner-city kids aren't the nicest. The park seems to have problems with that.
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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 7:08 PM
Well, in my book, the park has slipped a bit the past two years because of huge operational problems on some major attractions. The park might lose some business if this type of thing continues.
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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:09 PM

Is SFGAM really only 125 acres??? To me it seems much larger than that. Also I have to agree with spacemountain 551, our park does need something like that. However, the inner-city people from Chicago can be quite nasty there sometimes.

Example: I was standing in the V2 line last year and two inner-city people were messing around. The ride ops (being as nice as they can be which was quite a surprise) tried to get them to stop. However, these two people just started screaming obscenities and throwing objects at the ride ops. Pretty bad behavior from what it seems...

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:26 PM
WOW! I was talking about making a road trip there this year with some friends but it sounds kinda scary. And the long lines.Is everything a 2 hour wait and is there any coasters there that stand out to make it worth the trek?
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Thursday, May 30, 2002 5:36 AM

Never go to the park on the weekend, your just asking for trouble. Tues, Wed, Thur. You'll be fine. Going on the weekend is crazy.

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Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:30 AM
Once again, is someone EVER going to answer my question? How do you know an "Inner-City kid" from a "Suburban Brat"? The way you all shun these so-called "inner-city kids" I'm CERTAIN that you didnt go up to them and ask which neighborhood they were from. Personally, while I have known some 'ruffians' from Chicago Proper, I'm more leery of the "Robbins", "Maywood", "Cicero", "Evergreen Park" and "Chicago Heights" areas than I am of the "South" and "West" sides. If you all mean to say is that you think BLACKS and LATINOS/LATINAS are more likely to tear ish up, then just say that! It makes you no less STEREOTYPICAL when you say "inner-city kids".

On a completely aside note, I've found that more little snotty nosed white children act up EVEN when their parents/guardians are there. Perhaps if they knew that an ass whuppin would be their punishment instead of an ineffective "Time-Out" they'd be more likely to chill.
lata,
jeremy
--who was born, raised, currently lives and hopefully will die in the "Inner City"

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Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:47 AM

Hostyl (Sounding a bit like R. Kelly at the end) beat me to it.

I'm an "inner-city" white dude, but I'm sure you're not worried about me when you see me in an amusement park, walking down the street, or at the mall. Well, you'd never see me at the mall, but that's a different story...

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Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:27 AM
So would people call me "crazy" for planning on going to SFGAm on Friday June, 21?

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