How fast is Superman The Escape at SFMM???


GoliathKills said:
Well I was VERY lucky to see the left side run 100mph once again on my last visit. The ride had broken down with us on it ( as you can see here here and here) and they were having trouble getting it to launch at all. Then all of a suddon the launch started (we were down by the chute-the-chute) and it was gunning it like I had never heard before in my life. The car shot up the tower, tapped the brakes, and returned to earth... if only I was on that car.

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Great photos!

How fast does Superman go? I think the more important question is...why's Magic Mountain thinking about charging $10 to park?!

I went to Magic Mountain when they first started to build the track for Goliath and it was getting up to the top almost everytime I rode but I did see a couple launches not pass 50 feet...
Mostly everyone is correct, with a loaded train, Superman: The Escape (A & B Sides) run at around 88 mph.

Speaking of Top Thrill Dragster, Dodonpa's launch ownz it.

0 to 107 in 1.8 seconds vs. 0 to 120 in 4 seconds? I'll take 0 to 107 in 1.8 seconds, but the rest of the ride sucks...

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Does anyone know how long the track is in length from the station to the beginning of the tower?

-Adam

How fast is Superman? Three words: NOT FAST ENOUGH! ;)

-Mikey

About 900 feet from station to tower.

Legendary said:
Yeah I never got that, auscoasterman. SFMM always claims STE was the first ride ever to hit 100mph blah blah blah, but everything I remember points to ToT hitting that record *and* opening up first! So what is the deal with that?

Also, have you ever been on The Giant Drop when ToT was falling back down to Earth? That seems like it'd be a pretty neat "race." :)


Not exactly. Superman The Escape was already completed with construction and well into testing phase when DreamWorld was still piecing their single-track version of the Intamin reverse free-fall. Superman The Escape was in fact the first amusement park ride to achieve speeds of 100mph (and over, during testing), and yes, the first tocarry passengers to that speed before Tower of Terror (not the general riding public of course).

Regardless of when track was being put up, and who was testing what in the meantime, the fact remains that the first operating ride to reach 100mph was Tower of Terror. It is unjust to say that a ride can claim a record prior to be operational to the public. By that line of thought, a length of test track at Intamin's plant that utilises a new prototype launch system that's been tested at 200mph would be the "first amusement park ride to achieve speeds of 200mph". As far as I'm aware, the general consensus is that a ride cannot claim a record until it is open and operational to the public.

Tower of Terror tested, with I believe Sandor Kernacs and other park/Intamin officials in the car, at 110mph during the final testing stages (presumably for similar reasons that Xcelerator's pedal was put to the metal during testing). Therefore Tower of Terror was the first to exceed the 100mph, and Dodonpa's past records are entirely false and misleading.

Having nothing to compare it to, I'd confidently say that the intensity and speed of the ride in question, though slightly paled when compared to some newer things, will always remain at the upper end of the spectrum.

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You miss the point. SFMM never claimed to have the first operational ride to hit 100mph. They claimed to be the first to hit 100mph, period, and they'd be right, they did it first. There is *no* rule book stating that a coaster has to be open to claim anything. Cedar Point didn't wait till media day to officially claim every record on the books, once TTD was announced, the record was their's, long before the ride was topped off.

Not that it matters anyway, both rides have long been eclipsed, so it's a moot point.

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*** This post was edited by DWeaver 5/8/2003 3:32:11 AM ***

Except that, if you remember correctly DWeaver, TTD wasn't announced until *after* the ride was topped off, so in essence, your example wasn't very good this time. ;)

But I hear you, I'm just so glad TTD beat those other two for the height and speed record so now we have a clear cut record holder...no more "is STE a coaster or not." Woohoo!

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Is S:TE the second-tallest coaster? Sorry, but Joe *did* ask for that one...;)
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But if Superman is the second tallest coaster, wouldn't that make Cedar Point's Demon Drop the 241st tallest coaster? ;)

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DWeaver said:
But if Superman is the second tallest coaster, wouldn't that make Cedar Point's Demon Drop the 241st tallest coaster? ;)

Please tell me how an Intamin Reverse Free-fall coaster has any similarities to a First Generation Freefall other than an L-shaped structure? They operate completely differently and emphasize different riding sensations.

Just as much of a coaster as S:TE IMO

Hell it's even full circuit.

You heard it here first folks, CP and SFMM both have 17 coasters

Now how is that for fuel to the fire?

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Ah what the hell.....Magnum What?

S:ROS blew me away

Please tell me we're not having this discussion again.

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We're not having this discussion again ;)

It's all in fun

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Ah what the hell.....Magnum What?

S:ROS blew me away

Just to add to the Tower of Terror and Superman the Escape discussion, when i was at Dreamworld this summer i got chatting to a park attendant who was commenting that the engineers from SFMM actually came over to Australia to see exactly how dreamworld got the ride firing properly as theirs was not!!

They basically copied the Australian model and computer firing times of the LSM's. I also heard that the Aussies were more willing to 'push' the ride and break the 100 mph barrier and did so before the Americans with Intamin guys present.

I agree it is irrelevant but both rides were way ahead of their time with groundbraking technology that i am sure will be useful in other areas (mass transit systems). They are still exciting and if it were not for them and their popularity with the general population would we be seeing this new generation of launched rides. Nope.


DWeaver said:
You miss the point. SFMM never claimed to have the first operational ride to hit 100mph. They claimed to be the first to hit 100mph, period, and they'd be right, they did it first.

So SFMM claimed to have the first non-operational ride to hit 100mph. Just like the Intamin test track, that now holds the record for speed, taking it just days after TTD's opening (for the less academically gifted, this ride doesn't exist). I'm sure if you asked Guiness, their criteria for an amusement park record would include something about being open to the public. And I'm pretty sure it is the general consensus around here that a ride would have to be open to the public to hold a record... regardless of what words are left out of the title of the record.

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*** This post was edited by auscoasterman 5/9/2003 6:44:56 PM ***

I believe S:TE was the first designed to hit 100mph. T.o.T was built after with the previous problems eliminated from the design & beat it to the punch.

I've ridden both, S:TE at the beginning of the year & T.o.T a while ago. S:TE gets weaker every time I ride it, last time it felt like only at 50% capability. Then again I rode Xcelerator before it. ;) T.o.T performs consistently, reaching 320-340ft every tme.

Actually, auscoasterman, I saw a show about Steel Dragon 2000 which showed someone from Guiness handing over an official certificate for height on the day the ride was topped off.

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