I can't help but wonder if someone just didn't get the details wrong. It's not like a Cedar Fair park to build something unproven.
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*** This post was edited by PxPxPunKrAwKeR on 12/18/2001. ***
It sounds like a very messy way to lauch a ride - I can't help but wonder what it will look like under the station in a few years when park mechanics have had a chance to play with things. If you've seen a Citroen at a repair place, you'll know what I mean.
I'd imagine this lauch system will be rather quiet too.
Well, Intamin know what they are doing, and Cedar Fair will have waited for the neccessary work to be completed before contracting Intamin to build such a ride.
The benefit with hydrolics is, they are incredibly strong, but usually slow. Intamin have obviously found a way to get hydrolics pumping quickly, without the danger of leaks or bursts.
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And if it is "already fully tested," I'd like you to give me an example.
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Here's my best guess based on a limited experiance with hydraulics.
You'd have a bladder or piston accumulator. This is basically like a large hydraulic cylinder that is kept under pressure by gas on the other end. The advantage here is the compression of the gas is a large energy storage reservior, which conceptually is like a weight drop or a flywheel: you charge it with a reasonably sized pump motor slowly, then can extract all of the energy quickly.
We're probably talking largest accumulator ever seen by man, though, as usually they're used to to even out the pressure of a system, as hydraulics aren't usually used for burst power.
Next you'd have a cylinder and some method of attaching it to the car. There are many ways to do that (magnetic coupling, a little sticky-uppy-bit, friction, etc) but it really doesn't matter. The cylinder as I see it would have a VERY large inlet port in the back and also ports on the sides every few feet, which would open valves after the car passed by. This way you could get around the oil's viscosity simply by putting an obscenely large inlet area into the cylinder. This is similar to what S&S is doing with dadonpa, they have three separate tanks and three sets of valves. This would have more than three, I'd wager, but the same concept.
Now, WHY hydraulic is anyone's guess, except I'm willing to venture S&S has some pretty heavy patent coverage for air launches. Also it would be cheaper to operate than a ta2k. It couldn't overheat like the LIMs on impulses are wont to do, and you can get really heavy duty 100% duty cycle hydraulic components easily. Hydraulics and PLCs go together like... well damndable heat transfer classes and damndable partial differential equations.
I'll try my hand at ascii
_______|port|___|port|___|port|___|port|__|port__ . . || | | |-----
----------------------------------------------|piston| port
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__||___ ___ ___ ___ ___ |_ _|_|
|port| |port| |port| |port| |port|
okay that's really ugly but kinda shows what i mean
With Xcelerator, simply replace the counter weight with horizontally mounted hydraulic ram(s). It's all in the pulleys/cables set-up.
*** This post was edited by Taipan on 12/18/2001. ***
YES, accumulators can be used for impulse power. Most of the big simulators do exactly that; that's how they can get those cylinders to move sixteen feet in less than a half-second (Star Tours). No way to get that kind of power out of a typical hydraulic pump without going way way way way way oversize, but it can be done with an accumulator.
Also, remember that you can use a reduction pulley system, which trades applied force for distance. In the case of a launch, you would want more distance in order to limit the force applied to the passengers, so an n:1 reduction system ought to be just about right. That also lets you use a shorter firing cylinder, and it lets you move more slowly. God help you if the cables get tangled. :)
Finally, it's not as though hydraulic "launches" have never been done before. Ever see a Chance Sling Shot? I forget how tall the tower is, but the standard 48' trailer sits behind the ride and features a big-*** hydraulic cylinder connected to a 4:1 pulley system to haul the carriage up and down the tower. The maximum stroke on that cylinder would be 24', so I guess the tower is just under 96' tall...
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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What in the world is in that bag?Watch u got in that bag!?!?!?!?!?!?!
And the system is basically the same thing as a TA2k. Fill a chamber with hydrolic fluid, pressurize it, release into a chamber with a piston, and the piston drives the train foward. And if you doubt that it will work with a liquid, well the compressed air on a ta2k becomes a liquid too...
Second, PxPxPunKrAwKeR you should remember a critical point about hydraulics and why hydraulics are so useful: Liquids are non-compressible. Hydraulic accumulators usually work because one end is a permanently charged nitrogen cylinder. Fluid goes in under high pressure (but low volume) to compress the nitrogen cylinder. Then, on demand, the fluid is forced out at high pressure *and at high volume* by the compressed nitrogen gas.
Nitrogen is used, by the way, because it is mostly inert, unlike air which can cause a nasty explosion.
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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