Hershey's Hundredth


ParkerP said:<(and WC if in fact they'll be running new trains)

Wait wait wait....is that just a rumor or is it true? I think Wildcat would eb a great coaster, but I can't stand how much the ride hurts. New trains might fix that



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ParkerP said:
Where HERCO missed the boat was investing $20mill in partial season attractions rather than putting it toward an indoor waterpark/hotel complex...

Yeah, that's right. But you know, with the golf course expansion area purchased next to the park and the Giant Center, there would be room for an indoor water park and hotel, within walking distance to the park. But, oh well. That land wasn't owned by the park when The Boardwalk was planned. *** Edited 1/22/2007 12:58:09 PM UTC by Arson***


^^ There were rumors that Hershey put a LR train on Wildcat to test it and see how it ran with Millenium Flyers.
Millenium Flyers on Wildcat... now THAT would be a great improvement.

Guess we'll just have to wait until spring to find out. *** Edited 1/22/2007 8:27:41 PM UTC by SLFAKE***


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Leave the Wildcat alone !! The matchbox car trains are what gives you it's "Wild" Cat so to speak. Besides, it would mirror LR a little to much.

My main beef with the park is that I'd like to see them stay open on the weekends right up until Halloween ala CP. It just seems that they're missing out on some really good days they could be making money while the public was still having fun. Buyouts or not.


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I've been hearing rumors of Millenium Flyers on Wildcat for a few years. Although I would very much welcome the addition, count me in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp.... but I *DO* want to believe in 2007! ;)

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Superstew said:
Leave the Wildcat alone !! The matchbox car trains are what gives you it's "Wild" Cat so to speak. Besides, it would mirror LR a little to much.

Interesting thought about PTC trains differentiating Wildcat from LR. My personal preference would be to see another “LR-like” coaster experience, because I really can’t get enough of LR (esp. L) when at HP. From a park management standpoint, leaving Wildcat alone may make sense. Besides taming the ride down to potentially appeal to a larger number of guests, I am unsure what incentive there is for HP to make the investment. I really don’t have a sense of what type of ongoing maintenance costs Wildcat carries. If Millennium Flyer trains can save in retracking costs, they’d be more apt to do it, perhaps.

Anyone have an idea what the component cost of a Millennium Flyer train might be, as part of an overall GCII project? *** Edited 1/23/2007 10:55:38 AM UTC by ParkerP***


Paul

Well, keep in mind that the PTC trains have to go SOMEWHERE. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find a park to sell them to for parts, or even to use the PTC's *coughcoughGLcoughcough*. So that would help defray the cost of the new train.

Another option would be to just take 2 of the Lightning Racer trains, and slap 'em on Wildcat! As it is, I don't know the last time I've seen all 4 trains running... only ever 2 (one on each side for a total of 2, to be precise) If that is the case, they wouldn't really be missing too much, and would actually get more use out of the trains this way.

Regardless if they buy new or use their existing trains, it would help save money in parts costs -- you could buy parts in more quantity and thus most likely save costs. Not to mention you only have to stock parts for one style of train instead of 2.

Then there's the fact that the lighter train won't be as merciless on the structure, which will also save costs in the long run.

Either way, I say go for it! :)


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I'd bet that Wildcat opens '08 with MFlyers. (Gwazi, on the other hand, will get them by 2018).... ;)

The PTCs, shoot, there's lots of rides running G-trains that could use something infinitely better...Cheetah strikes close to home... :)

On my past 4 trips to Hershey, LR was running 2 trains on each track on two of the trips (summer 05, and Springtime in the Park 06) and 1 train on each side on the other 2 trips (HP in the Dark 05 and 06).

I'd hate to see them move 2 of the LR trains to Wildcat because even though they don't run 4 trains on LR often enough, there are times it's definetly needed like at Springtime in the Park when the line was close to 45 minutes with 4 trains running.

I think HERCO could somehow scrounge up enough money to buy 2 Millennium Flyer trains. One possible incentive for investment is that every time I was at the park this past season, the line for Wildcat didn't even extend down to the first landing of the ramp-- even with the middle four seats of the trains roped off. It wasn't that long ago the back of the line would be out to the photo building.

My company held their picnic at Hershey this summer, and I heard a lot of people (definite GP types) complaining about how rough Wildcat was compared to the other coasters. I know I mentioned it to a couple of ops myself.

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Six MFlyers trains is too many for the coasters they're building for '07....

Those trains are more than just comfortable as heck...they ARE in fact, an investment in the coaster itself.

Too many MFlyers...hehe. Yeah... ;)

*** Edited 1/24/2007 4:08:03 AM UTC by rollergator***

Excellent, it makes me look forward to Springtime In the Park even more, if Midway America is open as they opened that section up at the last minute since it wasn't on the list of rides (and the Coal Cracker as well) *** Edited 1/28/2007 3:40:43 AM UTC by YoshiFan***
From what I understand, the only modifications the ride will get when it upgrades to MFlyers is brake placement and control system, or so I've heard.

Granted, I would enjoy this, but I have to ask..

How do you know this as fact?

"Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know."


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rollergator's avatar
Everything is going to come out *sometime*....something like new coaster trains probably isn't something Hershey is planning to market, LOL, so their investment in keeping that information mum is minimal. I'm HIGHLY inclined to believe this about Wildcat.

Even *if* I were to discount what Comet Rider is saying (which I'm not, LOL), ALL of the news from NCC and out of "the shop in Sunbury" points in that same direction.

The ONLY bad news...is that there's ONLY two "extra" MFlyers this year...(whistling past the graveyard in Mason)...and since there's no PTCs forthcoming, that's NOT good news for Sonny... ;)

If a person who does know starts talking, you will find very quickly they will start to not know about future things. Whether they lose their employment, or if their "sources" just start buttoning their mouth when they come around is irrelevant. The point remains. (Especially with an attitude like "I don't have anything to lose"... yeah, except your sources)

Edit: Don't misunderstand me - I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm wondering how you know this, since nothing has been confirmed officially, and the Flyers on Wildcat rumor has been circulating for a couple years now. Generally, people who know don't talk, and thus this could be a guess/shot-in-the-dark just so you have something to go back to later and say "I told you so" and look cool, when it was actually just a good, educated, guess. So rather than get defensive, why not just enlighten those of us who are unfortunate to not be cool enough to get this information already as to where you came across this factual information?

*** Edited 2/3/2007 1:13:44 PM UTC by dannerman***


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Here's a question...why don't they have at least 1 or 2 coasters open for HP in the Dark? I was there last year, in the frigid cold, and was dying to get on a coaster or two...hell I'd ride one in the freezing cold! ;)

Haha no I'm not giving Patrick the finger

You mean Christmas Candylane right? (since all coasters are open for HP in the Dark except Roller Soaker)

I think it's a mistake not having any coasters open for Christmas Candylane. There is no reason Sooperdooperlooper and Trailblazer can't be open as neither go that fast and I think those 2 coasters are good choices to open because they usually decorate the Comet's lift hill and Midway America is never open then. They could even say it has to be a certain temperature to run the way SDC and Dollywood have it for their coasters.

It just doesn't seem worth it to me to drive almost 2 hours to go to that event without any coasters. *** Edited 2/3/2007 9:56:23 PM UTC by YoshiFan***

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LOL, just got back in town...no worries, CR.

dannerman....let's say CR *did* tell us where he came across this information (which, after hearing MORE this weekend, I'm considering as *fact*). THEN, he'd be jeopardizing his source, and possibly getting his source in trouble...getting your sources in hot water (or hot cocoa in this case) is NOT a good way to keep them talking...LOL! ;)

P.S. Until I ride Maverick, and quite possibly after that, SR is far-and-away the best full-circuit launch coaster in N. America...SWEEEEEEEEET! :)

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