Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:06 PM
Anyone hear any news about the new coaster that will be built in Heide Park for 2003? Just wondering, because this thing is going to be so HUGE!

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:27 PM
Well, last I knew some of the preliminary work is being done and construction should start in the summer with the tenative word being it might as open as early as fall of this year.

Chances are good that you'll see a ton of pictures of the construction if it's underway in July since the ACE Europe trip is stopping by Heide for a day on it, I can only hope the first drop will be done by then, I'd just like to *see how monstrous that thing will be* :-)
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Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:28 PM

I'm interested to see if it will be as big as it was initially claimed to be. There have been a few "official" heights.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:31 PM

Yeah I'd love to ride that next year....but I'm on the other side of the ocean :-)

I heard its gonna be 412 ft tall and over 8000 ft long (making it the tallest and fastest coaster in the world) I also heard that its going to be built by Intamin.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:34 PM
I saw a computer rendered layout picture of it somewhere before, and it looks like the whole ride will basically be the first drop and then a bunch of curves. I wish that Intamin would make these huge rides have airtime in more than just the first drop (although that is a lot right there). For example, Millennium Force (which is an awesome ride, don't get me wrong) only has what...4 hills in which you can get some airtime. Is this to save $ for the park who is building it? Because they could be making these rides a lot longer.

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Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:42 PM
Yeah, I've seen the rendering as well. You're not the first person to refer to it as "Millennium Force II" since that's obviously what was heavily referenced in the design. Yes, it is by Intamin, yes it is over 400 feet, I don't know the length but it should be fairly long. Coasters that high almost have to be, I know Millie is over a mile but the speed of the ride combined with the fast lift makes the overall ride time pretty short.

As for the whole "too many curves" thing I completely agree. MF is a neat ride but it'll never be top tier material for me simply because of it's horrid layout after the first drop. The air hill coming back from the island and the bunny hop by the station are nice but give me an SROS or something like the new SFH Goliath over that any day.

The lack of hills and such isn't so much a result of too little funding (after all, it doesn't really matter *what* the coaster is doing, you're still paying for footage!) but the realities of heavy g forces. Rides that are over 300 feet tall generate huge amounts of speed and thus need equally huge elements to keep the forces from becoming too extreme. Sadly I think this is going to mean that more Gigas (Teras, whatever :-) are going to be MF style curvy designs as opposed to Steel Force out and backs or ExGeForce Twisters...that's just the inherent limitations of the design and one of the big reasons why I'm not delaying my trip to Europe because of the thing. Yes, the drop will be unbelievable but other than that the ride doesn't look entirely remarkable...as I said, the smaller Intamins seem to have much tighter and (my favourite) twistier designs which is more my cup of chai.
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:46 AM

A little bit off-topic:

So are anyone here going with the ACE European Coaster Tour? If so i would love to read a trip report after the trip to see how the coasters and parks in europe compares to the american ones. And do you know if the ACE site will have a trip report updating everyday during the trip like ECC did during the Coolest Coaster Tour.

About the new coaster:

Since Tussauds bought Heide it'll still be built. But it may not be over 400ft as they may not have the permission for that height. The latest height i've heard is 100m high and that's still high enough to break the height record. 100m is about 325ft. And the design may also have changed as it wont be built at the side of Colossos.

But pretty much points at it's still going to be built and i hope it'll be the best Intamin creation for the moment.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:55 AM
Maybe CP got exactly what it wanted in MF. The park already has an airtime machine; MF is a speed machine. They complement each other perfectly.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:11 AM
WEll, how did Steel Dragon 2000 come out with a successful layout with all its speed? Magnum provides ejector air, nothing like the floating air that an Intiman can give(and Millenium Force could give), this leaves me a little worried about how Xcelerator will turn out. Except for the top hat, the ride is all curvy wurvy. I sure hope that doesn't bring in any complaints about Xcelerator but I still think that the could have seriously put in a hill or two before the brake run to complete the ride because I know what everyone is going to say when they ride it. We had the same reviews from S:TE, Hypersonic XL, and Volcano. Just look at Phantom's Revenge, sure it's really short, but because they had the thought of adding in those speed bump, the riders are still recover from the airtime at the end of the ride instead of compaining about shortness. If the end of Phantom's Revenge was speed track and a large banked helix, how well do you think the ride would rank?
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:13 AM

Colin W. said:
Rides that are over 300 feet tall generate huge amounts of speed and thus need equally huge elements to keep the forces from becoming too extreme. Sadly I think this is going to mean that more Gigas (Teras, whatever :-) are going to be MF style curvy designs as opposed to Steel Force out and backs or ExGeForce Twisters...that's just the inherent limitations of the design "

I see your point Colin, but Morgan was able to create an awesome airtime hag With steel dragon. I think given time we'll see a SROS type gigacoaster.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:16 AM
Crimony Vertigo!!!....you beat me to it

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:24 AM
Agreed... IMHO, Steel Dragon does wonders over MF. Just more my thing. I love the agonizing climb, the monster drops, and the delicious air. MF? Too fast. Who woulda thought someone would complain about the speed. That, and the bugs!!;)
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:28 AM

I agree with Colin W. that MF has the greatest first drop ever created followed by a mediocre layout that's only real great quality is its speed. Addressing Den, you can have airtime with speed....case in point: Phantom's Revenge. I think CP put a lot of stock in people thinking overbanked turns would be awesome: some people think exactly that (although not me). People like MF because of its wow factor, its first drop, and its speed that makes the adrenaline pump in even the most seasoned coaster veteran. However, many non-enthusiasts I know say Magnum freaks them out much more than MF because of the ejector airtime.

I agree CP wanted MF designed just as it is because they didn't want another Magnum, but I also think the fact that this was the first 300ft. + coaster had something to do with the layout, also. They did not want to take risks with excessive forces since it was first of its kind (remember Maggie's reprofiling).

That said, oh what I'd give for a coaster just like MF but with one more camelback, one more bunny hop, and a helix.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:57 AM

Millenium Force's first drop is superb, but not the greatest ever created. Of the top of my head I can count drops like Tower of Terror, Goliath, Steel Dragon 2000, preedited Riverside Cyclone, Oblivion, Shaft of Terror, Thunderbolt, Lightning Racer, Superman:The Escape, and Moonsault Scrambler's hyper drop backwards(the only of its kind to have ever existed), all worthy of tthe same title and have their own advantages over Millenium Force.

Millenium Force is a great coaster, but we all know that Intiman and Cedar Point could have done better.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:07 PM

I didn't know that Magnum had been reprofiled. What exactly did they do to it and when? Thanks in advance.

tye

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:34 PM

Vertigo said:

Millenium Force's first drop is superb, but not the greatest ever created. Of the top of my head I can count drops like Tower of Terror, Goliath, Steel Dragon 2000, preedited Riverside Cyclone, Oblivion, Shaft of Terror, Thunderbolt, Lightning Racer, Superman:The Escape, and Moonsault Scrambler's hyper drop backwards(the only of its kind to have ever existed), all worthy of tthe same title and have their own advantages over Millenium Force.



Firstly, I don't know what Tower of Terror you're talking about, but the only Tower of Terror I know is the Dreamworld Reverse Freefall, which is identical to S:TE. Now, there is no real first drop, you are shot up and you fall back. Sure, the airtime is great, but its all floater, its gentle and gradual. Personally, I prefer ejector air, where you feel your guts pushed up quickly and almost violently.

Steel Dragon 2000's drop is no where good as Millennium Force's in my opinion- although I've never ridden MF, although it looks better. For starters you aren't sitting in a cardboard box where you are enclosed on all sides.

Moonsault Scramble's first drop. It is hard to enjoy a drop when your brain is getting tossed around because of the roughness. I think, the Giant Inverted Boomerangs deserve this title more than Moonsault Scramble.

I haven't ridden the others. I can see how Oblivion or Shaft of Terror or (formerly) G5 would be considered extreme... I mean vertical into a hole in the ground. Goliath Similar, and I'd imagine the height you are up really makes it look extra small.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:02 PM

Antuan said:

I see your point Colin, but Morgan was able to create an awesome airtime hag With steel dragon. I think given time we'll see a SROS type gigacoaster.
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True enough but at what cost? SD2K was the most expensive coaster ever built (granted, a good part of this was because of the crazy heavy duty support structure) and was additionally the longest ride ever constructed.

I'm not saying that given space and money that full on Giga Twisters aren't possible, just that I'm not expecting to see them anytime soon. Very few parks have the capital *and* space to install stuff like that. Trust me, when a Giga Twister goes up I'll be there for opening day, I love twisters :-)

And to answer the earlier question up above about if anyone is going on ACE Euro, I believe several of us are from the board. I'm hitting only the second leg of the tour (continental Europe) because of the high cost but I'll certainly be doing up a nice TR for each park along the way.
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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:03 PM
I don't think Magnum has been reprofiled. I saw track being replaced in 94 or so, but it was because of wear and tear of the steel. The ride was unchanged.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:14 PM
You are foregtting one hting about air on SD2k It has brakes, Millie doesn't. And SD2K's layout isn't exactly Imanginative anyway, its a big Maggie. I think MF did exactly what it needs to, the GP ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY LOVES THE THING!!!!!!!

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:34 PM

Den said:
Maybe CP got exactly what it wanted in MF. The park already has an airtime machine; MF is a speed machine. They complement each other perfectly.


I don't think many people read your post and I figure it bears repeating.

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