While at times boring and dragged out, it did talk about and describe some interesting points about supposed cover-ups, etc.
It says it's 6 parts but it actually is 5. Check it out when you have some free time and form your own conclusion to this sad but mysterious event.
Part I starts here. *** Edited 11/14/2006 1:34:15 PM UTC by Chitown***
My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.
A little overdramatic in a cheesball way for my tastes, but I'm on part 2 as I type this and I'll probably sit through all 5 parts.
And comparing kids encountering the fire started by some delinquent in an amusement park attraction to the people fleeing the falling WTC towers in NYC on 9/11 - yeesh!
Something more neutral would have been more to my liking.
Nice find, Chitown! :)
-SFGAdv is a principality of evil...hysterical.
-The use of the term "death trailers" is especially nice.
-The '8 skeletons for fright fest' thing only pales in comparison to all the Beatles 'Paul Is Dead' stuff.
Neat story - horrible execution in telling it.
I agree theres a decent ammount of opinion, but its well made and he seems to know alot abot what happened, he was there. If everything or even most of what they say about it's structure, how much it took to get fire fighters on the scene, or how Six Flags reacted with the parents and so on is true, thats downright horrific and disturbing. *** Edited 11/14/2006 11:00:57 PM UTC by P18***
I had always heard many of the rumors associated with this occurance and I always wanted to learn more about it. The disregard for safety is sickening, but not entirely suprising. Some may disagree, which they are entitled to do so, but the mindset of that park to this day is money over safety....
Rememebering as a kid in about '76 there was a disaster movie with charlton heston called Towering inferno, (Cheap building materials, lack of sprinkler system ect)
A couple years later northen KY had several hundred die in a fire with the same causes plus locked or chained exits. This was a few years prior to the GRADV inccident.
Sometimes lifes lessons have to be re-learned the hard way!
While it made mention to a kid with previous fire tendancies and claims of locked doors, I didn't see it as accusitory but more of a WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED and WHY? Blocked fire exits, Unmanned areas and such, Not to mention the polyetheline and plywood basically used to build the whole thing.
Interesting and definately worth watching IMHO
Chuck, who thinks someone needs to put together a tower johnny and Black sunday documentary and even a BAT documentery to quell the rumors on KIs past.
Charles Nungester said:
I didn't see it as accusitory but more of a WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED and WHY?
According to the dude who did the documentary. That's key. It's clear he's chosen a side and how he wanted to present the story.
None of his accusations made any of the official reports. Although he does pretty much say that, but spins it into conspiracy territory.
There lies the blame.
Chuck, taking a side himself and it's the right one.
Which, ironically enough, is exactly what happened as well.
From a fire fighters mouth, "Ive never seen a building with a sprinkler system suffer any structural damage.
Any accidental death that could have been avoided is always a shame. Although I have always been told to never re-enter a burning building, kudos to the employee that went back in to pull out Susan.
As the video says, there were many changes made to fire codes covering amusement and carnival attractions as a result of this disaster. In firefighter training classes and code enforcement certifications this incident still is referenced today.
If you want to read a very good acount of this incident and mistakes made, lessons learned, etc, try to dig up a (I think) July 1984 issue of Firehouse Magazine.
Serenity now......Insanity later!
Of course we've all seen one now, The WTC but the water mains were severed in the impact.
In the "You think things are rough now" category, the part about patrons attacking the actors just blows my mind. It kind of confirms my feelings about the park back in the early 90's. Me and my friend went up there and I know I felt scared.
Are things more subdued now, or am I just used to it?
There are some things I definitely didn't agree with the guy about:
a) Establishing some kind of memorial site--I hate to say it, but that would be a huge downer for anyone visiting the park--especially for those people who have no prior knowledge of the event.
No park wants to have a public reminder either of possible negligance on their part especially since the park has changed ownership several times since
b) The structure across from Chiller resembling the Castle. I think this is a case of seeing what you want to see.
c) The skeletons at FrightFest, the barrel roll at Brutal Planet etc. Again, it's a case of thinking too hard about something that happened twenty-years ago.
Where I will agree is about the Castle Escape Ham N' Rye. Since I never done it, I'll have to take the guys word on it (people escaping a burning castle), but it could possibly be in very bad taste for anyone who does remember the event.
BTW, did anyone notice the amount of closed rides on the board in the one portion? Yikes.
I barely remeber the ride (parents didn't allow me to go through it), but I thought it too was made from portable trailers.
SFOMA had the one mentioned above. SFOG had one where the Spanish Fort in bugs bunny world is now. SFOT had something like a haunted Cave attraction also if I remember correctly. Not sure on SFMM. Of course all were closed after this Great Adventure incident.
I took a Commercial Recreation course about 15 years ago in college and the Haunted Castle incident was explained in detail in our text book. Used as kinda of the "what not to do" lession for the risk management part of the class.
I also remember the fact tha the park remained open while remains were being sifted through and body bags were being taken out, as well as family memebers being charged admission to view remains of victims as some of the infamous post-tragedy management blunders. *** Edited 11/16/2006 6:35:03 AM UTC by Cropsey***
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