Has B&M gotten out of the Vertical Coasters?

Friday, May 17, 2002 3:05 PM
B&M hasn't stopped making Inverted Coasters, Hypercoasters, Stand Ups, and are now starting with the Flyers, but they have only built a couple of Vertical Dive Coasters. Does anyone know why? Maybe it's because other coasters are starting to have 90 degree drops, like X, HSXLC, and the Impulse Coasters or such. But I don't know, does anyone know why?
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Friday, May 17, 2002 3:21 PM

I think it is because the Vertical Dive coasters were really one trick rides and other manufacturers are able to do a vertical drop as well as other things.

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Friday, May 17, 2002 3:23 PM
I just think, no one has ordered on and they still make them, but if no one orders one they can't help that, they can do loops besides that one trick, and I'd like to see one in the US since G5 and Oblivion are basically identical except G5's drop is a bit taller. But I don't think its because of X and XLC because Oblivion's drop is 88.5 degrees

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Friday, May 17, 2002 3:59 PM

actually, G5 isnt taller than oblivion, it only goes 20ft underground whereas oblivion goes 85ft underground, so it only looks like G5 is taller whereas it really is the same height but just more above the ground

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Friday, May 17, 2002 4:14 PM
Well, Oblivion and G5 are one trick ponies, and they are basically clones of each other. Both rides can navigate turns so I don't think inversions would be impossible to do -- it all comes down to what the client wants. I think the main problem with them is the poor capacity compared to their other rides (about half).

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Friday, May 17, 2002 4:24 PM
Well, I have heard from a good source that B&M are still trying to sell the Dive Machine to parks, but no parks want them apparently,Personally I think its a shame, I know that the design is a one trick pony, but I have ridden Oblivion many times, and the drop is absolutly brilliant, many people enjoy it, and the airtime is great if you have your harness loose :)

Hopefully One Day, you americans will get to experience one :)

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Friday, May 17, 2002 4:57 PM

Jokercoaster said:
I just think, no one has ordered on and they still make them, but if no one orders one they can't help that, they can do loops besides that one trick, and I'd like to see one in the US since G5 and Oblivion are basically identical except G5's drop is a bit taller. But I don't think its because of X and XLC because Oblivion's drop is 88.5 degrees

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X's descent slope is 88.5°. Oblivion's is 87°.

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Friday, May 17, 2002 6:09 PM
Dive Machines are supposed to be really exspensive though, and for what they give people don't want to pay that much for a one trick pony. Especially if it's gonna' be that small. Grant it the drop is amazing, but what else is there? They should expand like S&S is doing with the Air Thrust coaster by adding extra vertical drops now and very steep turnarounds or how Giavonola has the new tilt system with multiple inversions and transitions.

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Friday, May 17, 2002 6:22 PM

This is my opinion, but, if a park really has the land, money, and time to put in a dive machine, they will do so.

But I just think dive machines just have one thing going for them. They drop, turn, small dip, and hit the brakes. The drop is the only "major" part of the ride.

If you wanted a good, relatively cheaper(?) vertical type coaster, I would go with a Thrust Air. But then again, this is just my opinion.

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Friday, May 17, 2002 6:35 PM
just because there is only one layout for the two dive machines that are out there doesn't mean that that's all there is. if that were true than there would be no Mantis or Riddler's Revenge because most of the early B&M stand ups were based off of the Iron Wolf layout. if a park wants to put the money into funding one of these projects, then we'll see more dive machines, but until then, all we can do is wait. the expensive part of the dive machines comes in the cars, but that's just something that you have to deal with if you want to near vertical drop from B&M

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Friday, May 17, 2002 6:35 PM

I don't expect to ever see dive machines become really common, but I feel certain that they aren't dead.

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Friday, May 17, 2002 6:51 PM
""Well, Oblivion and G5 are one trick ponies, and they are basically clones of each other. Both rides can navigate turns so I don't think inversions would be impossible to do -- it all comes down to what the client wants. I think the main problem with them is the poor capacity compared to their other rides (about half). ""

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Magnum Allan - FLCC member..

the capacity on oblivion is huge 1800 per hour i believe, so that is definately not an issue. Yes they may only have one trick, but what a trick it is. The pause over the drop is amazing and the drop itself just takes your breath away. I would like to see a bigger and longer layout, as i think the ride would be great.

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Friday, May 17, 2002 6:56 PM
gyjdnb, capacity becomes an issue when the design expands beyond the one trick pony that it is now. Give it an appropriate track length (3,000+ ft) and capacity becomes a big issue.

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Saturday, May 18, 2002 5:58 AM

Their Dive Coaster was designed to be a one trick pony, the whole ride is the vertical drop, which is why the trains were designed as they are - so everyone gets a decent view etc. About all you can add to that design is a vertical loop at most, a bunny hill or something. The trains are far too bulky to be cruising through twists and turns - lets not forget that their momentum is lost quickly due to the weight and relative length of the trains - a lot like wild mouse rides.

I'd wager that before too long, we'll be seeing the vertical drop incorporated into more standard rides - I'd expect smaller trains because that "yankage" would probably cross the comfort level of most people, unless we're talking gradual sloping, which really defeats the purpose of vertical drops. This paragraph was mostly woffle, so feel free to ignore it, its getting late and my caffeine is wearing off.

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Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:13 AM

Hey guys check out this

http://ft.coasterwire.com/ubb_cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000010

Not entirely relevent but it shows the Dive Machine B&M sent to the patent Office. Pitty they never built it really.

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