Grizzly at PGA vs Grizzly at PKD?

Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:03 PM
Why do people say that Grizzly at PKD is so good, and the grizzly at PGA crap?

I'm a little confused, because according to rcdb.com the one at PGA is higher, and longer.

I mean the grizzly at PKD made #25 best wooden coaster on amusement today!!

What is the crucial difference in these two coasters that make or break it?

p.s. The first grizzly clone is at PCW as wilde beast. How does that one stack up compared to the other two?


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PCW needs something taller than a boomerang
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:58 PM
Grizzly at PGA is in pretty bad shape. The Morgan trains kill your legs and run on sqaure wheels(or so it feels like). The ride is rough, but more importantly, boring. No hills, slow turns and really only one interesting drop.


But there is *GREAT* news to report for all you PGA fans. Yesterday at the PGA "coasterpolooza", there were BIG hints dropped that 2002 will bring a new "-------" designed wooden coaster with loads of airtime. I couldn't believe they were actually revealing their plans for next year to us lucky No-cal enthusiatsts. I'm thinking there may be an annoucement soon! :)

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Too much is simply NOT ENOUGH...
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 2:32 PM
I really hope your blanks are Intamin and not Summers. Psyclone, Predator, Hercules, Mean Streak, and Raging Wolf Bobs aren't exactly what I would call good "riding" material. He hasn't designed a built coaster since Mean Streak in 91 so maybe that's a good sign. Any other 7 letter woodie designers?
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:05 PM
yea grizzly is boring but that wus my first wooden coaster ever i havent rode any other yet

i hope ------- is also intamin hahheehe.. so outkast wus there any hints for another coaster? like the rumoured steel coaster?! by S&S or anything? OUTKAST give us a trip report! hehe
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 3:35 PM
I think the both the Grizzly's were built by different people but I could be wrong. Plus PKD's runs through the woods and has more comfortable trains.
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:08 PM
If I`m correct Summers and Dinn split after building Mean Streak at Cedar Point in `91 and Curtis Summers, I believe has since died. Charlie Dinn now works as a consultant for Custom Coasters International.

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Sunday, June 10, 2001 4:09 PM
That is correct.
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:29 PM
THIS IS HUGE NEWS! PGA is my home park, and what exactly is coasterpolooza?

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Steel top 5
1.S:TE
2.Stelth
3.B:TR
4. Riddler's Revenge
5. Goliath
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:29 PM
THIS IS HUGE NEWS! PGA is my home park, and what exactly is coasterpolooza?

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Steel top 5
1.S:TE
2.Stelth
3.B:TR
4. Riddler's Revenge
5. Goliath
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:50 PM
Grizzly at PGA was built by Kings Island Construction, Maintenance, and Engineering Dept. and is 3250' long and 91' high built in 1986. Grizzly(a Coney Island Wildcat type design)at PKD was built by Kings Entertainment Company, is 3150' long and 87' high and was built in '82. I've nevr been on either but if the layout is similar and one gives a bad ride and the other a good, just look at Psyclone at MM and Viper at SFGAm and tell me layout is all that it has to do with.

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Danny

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Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:59 PM
coasterpolooza was a oneday event at PGA celebrating the first coaster ever built.. its past but infos at thrillride.com
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:26 PM
so far NO ONE has answered my question!

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PCW needs something taller than a boomerang
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 6:46 PM
Coo man chu, I don't think any of them are clones of the other. Just 2 woodies with the same name and Wild Beast is a similar layout to the PKD version which is most likely why the PCW version gets pretty decent reviews. And like I was saying, look at all the SF cyclone clones. Viper at SFGAm is one of the best and Psyclone is one of the worst. It just depends who built it, what trains it has, and how the park takes care of it. Does that answer all your questions besides exactly the differences? Grizzly at PKD usually rates near the top. Wild Beast near the high middle and Grizzly at PGA is usually at the very bottom if not the worst on the list.

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Danny

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Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:44 PM
if they tear down grizzly and build another one it could be called Grizzlys Revenge...or Son of GRizzly (lame) or Grizzlys Vengeance! hahah

i know this is off topic.
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Sunday, June 10, 2001 8:52 PM
Well I won't do a trip report cause Jeff might get on my case, but I'll explain a few things that happened at the event.

-We got to walk underneath Top Gun and Stealth. Boy, coasters sure are fun to ride but walking underneath one is an awesome experience! Even the smallest of coasters look absolutely massive from underneath, Wow!

-There was a cake eating contest and some rides on the parks junior coaster, Taxi Jam.

-Gary Bird of Arrow was the guest speaker. He mostly answered questions about X, and showed some concept art and videos. OMG! X is absolutely going to blow people away! Mr. Bird also stated that another one with a slightly more tweaked layout is coming to the east coast next year.

-Then there was a presentation of the history of the park which brought tears to my eyes. After this, a PGA spokesman spoke on the future of the park. PGA wants to get back to tradition by dropping the prototypes(don't look for a Hypersonic clone anytime soon), and instead add classic-type coasters and flatrides. At this point he revealed that the park would follow up the old-fashioned Psycho Mouse with a classic wooden coaster to be built by an overseas company. I assume he meant Vekoma or Intamin. There was a collective "Wow" from the small crowd. Then there was ERT on Stealth and Top Gun.


It was a great event, I had a blast.

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Too much is simply NOT ENOUGH...
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Monday, June 11, 2001 4:07 PM
PGA will build a Vekoma woody. Why? because Vekoma's goal in creating woodies is to make them look classic(made of wood) yet have them ride like steel.
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Monday, June 11, 2001 4:41 PM
The Bush Beast at my home park, Wonderland Sydney is an exact clone of PKD's Grizzly, minus the tunnel. It was built by the same company, KEC, in 1985. I'm not 100% sure, WLS used to be owned by Paramount.

I don't ride the B.Beast anymore as it hurts like hell. It is so rough that it probably has never been retracked before. I forgot what someone said how they compare (haven't been to PKD).
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Monday, June 11, 2001 5:14 PM
What would you rather prefer. New Prototypes or classic rides? I'm not sure that is a good move because PGA needs a new "wow"! ride. If not, the will lose all competition to Marine World.
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Monday, June 11, 2001 7:20 PM
yea they need to go not classic but go the way six flags are going.. STEEL COASTERS! but PGA is overdue for a woodie i hope both woodie and steel happens.

So if u say that a Hypersonic Clone won't happen?
wassup with the news or rumour of "Complete Insanity"? even the S&S staff said that. Maybe PGA have disapproved it.
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Monday, June 11, 2001 7:54 PM
On my gosh people half of you havent even answered the question! Gosh! Well I think is better at PKD and I think the Grizzly is a great coaster. And i dont care what any of you think either! Grizzly a PKD is better because its in the woods and its fun to ride at night in the dark.
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