Grizzly at PGA is in pretty bad shape. The Morgan trains kill your legs and run on sqaure wheels(or so it feels like). The ride is rough, but more importantly, boring. No hills, slow turns and really only one interesting drop.
But there is *GREAT* news to report for all you PGA fans. Yesterday at the PGA "coasterpolooza", there were BIG hints dropped that 2002 will bring a new "-------" designed wooden coaster with loads of airtime. I couldn't believe they were actually revealing their plans for next year to us lucky No-cal enthusiatsts. I'm thinking there may be an annoucement soon! :)
I really hope your blanks are Intamin and not Summers. Psyclone, Predator, Hercules, Mean Streak, and Raging Wolf Bobs aren't exactly what I would call good "riding" material. He hasn't designed a built coaster since Mean Streak in 91 so maybe that's a good sign. Any other 7 letter woodie designers?
If I`m correct Summers and Dinn split after building Mean Streak at Cedar Point in `91 and Curtis Summers, I believe has since died. Charlie Dinn now works as a consultant for Custom Coasters International.
Grizzly at PGA was built by Kings Island Construction, Maintenance, and Engineering Dept. and is 3250' long and 91' high built in 1986. Grizzly(a Coney Island Wildcat type design)at PKD was built by Kings Entertainment Company, is 3150' long and 87' high and was built in '82. I've nevr been on either but if the layout is similar and one gives a bad ride and the other a good, just look at Psyclone at MM and Viper at SFGAm and tell me layout is all that it has to do with.
Coo man chu, I don't think any of them are clones of the other. Just 2 woodies with the same name and Wild Beast is a similar layout to the PKD version which is most likely why the PCW version gets pretty decent reviews. And like I was saying, look at all the SF cyclone clones. Viper at SFGAm is one of the best and Psyclone is one of the worst. It just depends who built it, what trains it has, and how the park takes care of it. Does that answer all your questions besides exactly the differences? Grizzly at PKD usually rates near the top. Wild Beast near the high middle and Grizzly at PGA is usually at the very bottom if not the worst on the list.
Well I won't do a trip report cause Jeff might get on my case, but I'll explain a few things that happened at the event.
-We got to walk underneath Top Gun and Stealth. Boy, coasters sure are fun to ride but walking underneath one is an awesome experience! Even the smallest of coasters look absolutely massive from underneath, Wow!
-There was a cake eating contest and some rides on the parks junior coaster, Taxi Jam.
-Gary Bird of Arrow was the guest speaker. He mostly answered questions about X, and showed some concept art and videos. OMG! X is absolutely going to blow people away! Mr. Bird also stated that another one with a slightly more tweaked layout is coming to the east coast next year.
-Then there was a presentation of the history of the park which brought tears to my eyes. After this, a PGA spokesman spoke on the future of the park. PGA wants to get back to tradition by dropping the prototypes(don't look for a Hypersonic clone anytime soon), and instead add classic-type coasters and flatrides. At this point he revealed that the park would follow up the old-fashioned Psycho Mouse with a classic wooden coaster to be built by an overseas company. I assume he meant Vekoma or Intamin. There was a collective "Wow" from the small crowd. Then there was ERT on Stealth and Top Gun.
The Bush Beast at my home park, Wonderland Sydney is an exact clone of PKD's Grizzly, minus the tunnel. It was built by the same company, KEC, in 1985. I'm not 100% sure, WLS used to be owned by Paramount.
I don't ride the B.Beast anymore as it hurts like hell. It is so rough that it probably has never been retracked before. I forgot what someone said how they compare (haven't been to PKD).
On my gosh people half of you havent even answered the question! Gosh! Well I think is better at PKD and I think the Grizzly is a great coaster. And i dont care what any of you think either! Grizzly a PKD is better because its in the woods and its fun to ride at night in the dark.