Grandma busted for trying to carry handgun into Magic Kingdom
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A 63-year old Pennsylvania grandmother is out of jail this morning after deputies arrested her Sunday for trying to enter Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom with a loaded handgun, knife and scissors. Orange County Jail records show that Mary Ann Richardson, of Nickelson, PA, posted a $2,000 bail early this morning after deputies charged her with carrying a concealed weapon inside the theme park with her grandchildren.
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Significant? (link)
NO ONE (in the UK) is legally able to have handguns there NOBODY except the government not even the olympic pistol team. Yet somehow there is significant amount of gun crime.
Murders with firearms:
#8 - United States: - 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#32 - United Kingdom: - 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
If by "significant" you mean 1/27th, sure, OK.
That matters? Some deaths are better than others?
Ok we are # 8 in gun murders per capita yet we have the most guns per capita and the death by firearms includes accidental shootings, criminals killing each other and suicides. So only a fraction of the weapons are used criminally.
Assuming you didn't pull that number out of thin air (citation?), as I said before, that's living in a vacuum not considering socioeconomic factors such as poverty, unemployment or education.
Deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings fell on average by 78% in states that passed such laws.
They're not? So they should all have guns so they sprint ahead and come to our level of violent crime? You're trying to make a correlation where one doesn't exist.
In Europe, by contrast, violent crime is rising. Many factors are responsible, but it's clear that strict gun control laws aren't helping.
Which industrialized democratic nations are those? Seriously, and compare them to us. I'd love to know which you're talking about.
Many countries with high homicide rates have gun bans.
Yes, because it's all about the size of my penis and defending my manhood. I'll get to that as soon as I club her over the head and drag her by the hair to my bedroom. She's a big girl. She doesn't need defending. And please, give it a rest about what you think my "bad experiences" are. You don't know me. I've been around illegal guns and I've seen what they can do. Don't ASSume things.
But on the recurring note would you not use the force or deny yourself use of it nessesary to defend not yourself but the lady on your arm who you seem so attatched?
Well in this country, we vote for politicians that justify war with lies (sorry, misinformation), drive enormous, polluting cars because we can, and think that standardized tests keep from children being "left behind" (while holding back those who should be getting ahead). A lot of things don't make sense here, but we're so busy blindly waving flags and patting each other on the backs than nothing ever changes.
Wow, now I'm an outsider but the idea of owning guns for protection is so bizarre. I can't believe in any reasonable society there would even be a debate about the issue because it is so seemingly clearcut and blatantly obvious.
You're immune from Civil and Criminal liability if the use of deadly force was found to be justifiable in the State of Michigan.
But proving that--provided you do--still doesn't come free, does it?
Now about those OTHER points of mine........................
-'Playa
Granted, that's not always how it works, but ideally, that's it.
Besides, Bill, you're a hippie, and hippies don't like guns. :)
"That matters? Some deaths are better than others?"
Yes it is when a good person lives and the bad guy causes his own undoing. And it really matters when its obvious the armed citizens are NOT the ones killing people.
"Deaths and injuries from multiple-victim public shootings fell on average by 78% in states that passed such laws."
See above, try reading my post before calling me a liar
"They're not? So they should all have guns so they sprint ahead and come to our level of violent crime? You're trying to make a correlation where one doesn't exist."
Then if a correlation doesn't exist why do the countries than ban firearms and the use of them for protection have skyrocketing crime rates across the board. I put it to YOU to show me where a gun ban has resulted in lower crime rates. Handguns have been banned in DC for decades yet somehow there's a LOT of handgun crime there. This will be corrected when the supreme court overturns that ban shortly. Same with New York City even a new york state permit is not valid there. Yet NYC is full of crime because no law abiding citizen can protect themselves in a city with a one hour or more police response time.
Many countries with high homicide rates have gun bans.
"Which industrialized democratic nations are those? Seriously, and compare them to us. I'd love to know which you're talking about."
"http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.
Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.
The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
#6 mexico 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#5 russia 0.201534 per 1,000 people
Both have stringent gun bans, more so russia than mexico.
In russia the police don't even take their weapon home.
By comparison the USA is #24 on that list.
But on the recurring note would you not use the force or deny yourself use of it nessesary to defend not yourself but the lady on your arm who you seem so attatched?
"Yes, because it's all about the size of my penis and defending my manhood."
Slow down turbo, I'm not here to discuss your poor outlook on things or your insecurities. Who said ANYTHING about the owning of weapons correlating to the male genitalia? If my gun collection was a indication of the size of my penis as you imply I would put john holmes to shame. And I don't compare to some people I know.
Allow me to quote Mr Freud "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity”. Straight from the man himself.
If your lady is capable of defending herself against a 220lb rapist I'd be awful impressed. Go and be a victim, Myself and millions of other americans will not be. What illegal guns did what? Since you are so obviously NOT educated on the topic of firearms and related legalities how did you know they were illegal? What did they do that so traumatized you to make you fear a object. Fear the person that uses them for the wrong reason.
Who brought bush and the war in iraq into this? Leave the attack on the gubbermint outside. You should like bush, he offered to renew that JOKE of a so called assault weapons ban. But it was NOT endorsed except by those that " will take things away from you for the common good" Here we are debating personal freedoms.
As for your comment on pollution, you do know that a hybrid anything has a much higher environmental impact than a flipping hummer. Those big polluting cars are better for the environment.
http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060719.shtml
"For instance, the dust-to-dust energy cost of the bunny-sized Honda Civic hybrid is $3.238 per mile. This is quite a bit more than the $1.949 per mile that the elephantine Hummer costs. The energy cots of SUVs such as the Tahoe, Escalade, and Navigator are similarly far less than the Civic hybrid."
Yup I'm gonna stay here and wave my flag. God Bless this country and the rights we enjoy as its citizens. As well as the troops despite or feelings on the mission tasked to them.
So jeff, tell me again why the countries that have recently banned firearms for the population suffer from increased crime rates? I didn't see you address this glaring set of facts. Prove me wrong!
Yea and that one came to VT and shot 32 Kids. So I guess the NRA and it's following believe 1% can be over looked.
Love guns sign up for the Army.. they will give you all the action you want. After seeing what a gun can do to a person and the blood .. you would never never want to pick that gun up ever again. You want to be a Cowboy.. go work at Ghost town. We are free, but we will never esape our own down falls. Hell in the south some people think the Civil War is still going on.
Jeff has proven his point...!
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Army huh?
Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.
* Heinrich Himmler, head of the Nazi SS
Good man to follow?
The stereotype of drunken rednecks in white robes being the typical gun owner is a load of crap. I'll be the first to say to the southern boys "You lost get over it" F the rebel flag.
Jeff has proven nothing aside from his refusal to acknowledge simple facts that unfortunately do not conform to his misconceptions.
*** This post was edited by Defcon62 12/11/2007 6:23:45 PM ***
A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms."
* Adolf Hitler
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
* Thomas Jefferson
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it."
* William Burroughs
"There's no question that weapons in the hands of the public have prevented acts of terror or stopped them."
* Israeli Police Inspector General Shlomo Aharonisk
This horse aint dead yet
You want me to go to a site called "opinion journal" for facts. Yeah, OK. I can't even read your post because you're going on about completely irrelevant things.
Jeff its obvious you are sprouting nonsense when you obviously haven't read my entire post This --------> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=105002026 is my source of facts for the above quotes.
Who said anything about countries that have recently banned firearms? I'm talking about Canada and the UK, you know the places that a tiny fraction of gun crime per capita compared to us. These are places that most closely approximate our form of government and relative wealth. Obviously, as aucoasterman demonstrated, we're culturally in a different world.
So jeff, tell me again why the countries that have recently banned firearms for the population suffer from increased crime rates? I didn't see you address this glaring set of facts.
And why do you want my girlfriend to shoot someone? Did I miss the part where she was in some inevitable danger?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm
We've discussed the UK but here's some more
Gun crime has risen by 35% in a year, new Home Office figures show.
There were 9,974 incidents involving firearms in the 12 months to April 2002 - a rise from 7,362 over the previous year.
Yea gun control REALLY works for our friends across the pond don't it?
http://www.canadianembassy.org/government/guncontrol-en.asp
Adressing Canada
A national survey commissioned by the Canadian Firearms Centre in 2000 found an estimated 2.3 million firearm owners.
More than 1,000 Canadians die every year from gunshot wounds, most of them by their own hand. In 1996 the total firearm deaths amounted to 1,131, of which 815 were suicides, 45 were accidents and 156 were homicides. "
2.3 million legal gun owners albet requiring more licensing than the USA but are allowed most handguns and are permitted to own short barreled (sawn off) rifles and shotguns more easily than us here in the states. Out of 2.3 million guns legally owned there's 156 homicides. Not bad stats. Nonwithstanding is the uncounted illegal weapons that are likely the result of the listed homicides.
Addressing your girlfriend, I hope she would if it meant she would live, given her boyfriend would rather live and die on his knees.
I have several friends who are police officers, and one whose father is a US Marshal. Most of them also own Glocks chambered in .40, and we go to the range all the time and "compete" to see who's a better shot.
I obey all laws and regulations regarding my firearms [hobby], and I fully expect all of my friends to do the same. The moment I decided to purchase a firearm, I grew up. That kind of responsibility usually does that to a person.
You're just being an ass trying to get a rise out of me by attacking my character. So I've relieved you of your account.
Addressing your girlfriend, I hope she would if it meant she would live, given her boyfriend would rather live and die on his knees.
The stats for the UK are amusing since they refer to the same year I linked to other stats showing per capita murders in the UK were 1/27th what they are here. Nice try.
The funny thing is, I can respect where Josh is coming from in terms of shooting for sport. I'm OK with that. I'm OK with hunting too. What I want to know is how grandma toting a gun around makes anyone safer when, as a result, the availability of guns in general is higher.
And how is it that everyone just glanced over 'Gator's comment?
I've also taken all the requisite gun classes, shot many different kinds of weapons and know how to properly handle them. I enjoy shotting targets, but that's about it. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
If you want to carry a gun around on a regular basis and are legally allowed to, so be it. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea. But, you're allowed to, so it is what it is. Just please don't accidentally shoot me. :)
Funny thing is, I'm not so sure I could handle hunting. I've never done it before, and I'm afraid of how I would feel if I shot an animal. Ducks, I could hunt without too much of an issue, (they're just asking for it the way they fly around anyway. :) ) but the idea of taking down a furry animal that's just munching on some grass bothers me to an extent. I guess that kind of relates to humans in a way, too.
As for those 'stats' earlier regarding crimes in Australia, the laws brought in here in 1997 basically only disallowed private citizens to own semi/automatics and pump-action guns. In these cases if one could prove they require an outlawed gun for a justifiable purpose they could keep it. Before then, it was still illegal to carry around a pistol for self-defence so it's a bogus argument.
A lot of things don't make sense here, but we're so busy blindly waving flags and patting each other on the backs than nothing ever changes.
I should add to my earlier comments that in all my experiences in the US, I've left with an overwhelming feeling that it's a fundamentally good country with the majority being decent people. Again, as an outsider it is quite frustrating to see how the political system there seems so conservative -- not so much in political alignment, but rather in how it operates. I'm no expert, but it looks to me that if the 2008 presidential election goes well then there could very well be some significant positive change.*** This post was edited by auscoasterman 12/12/2007 7:42:59 AM ***
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