Good job Rob and Elissa!

Friday, September 27, 2002 2:34 PM

Well, I would have to admit, after the first 5 minutes of the video, I was like, this sucks! But then...a few more minutes into the video, "Mom, can you bring dinner to my room?" I thought it was great and can't wait to get the other 2002 video.

P.S. Congratulations on the engagement!

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Friday, September 27, 2002 3:48 PM
I always thought Elissa was the cousin or babysitter or something. Now I know! ;) I saw her, Rob, and Rick Turner in the queue for X back in May. Couldn't catch up to them cause I was just a bit farther back from them. Was cool to see them in real life though :)
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Friday, September 27, 2002 9:29 PM
That's two B's bub!

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.:| Brandon Rodriguez |:.
http://www.coasters2k.com

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:56 AM
They take cameras, CAMERAS, a viloation of most park rules, on the rides, yeah, real congrats. What wonderful examples..........
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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:01 AM

Well I don't really care whether you like it or not. What have you done for the coaster community lately? Robb gave us the first POV of S:UF.

How do you know that they don't get permission? Even if they don't, I don't care. I have a good friend who doesn't and I have some POVs of coasters never seen anywhere else on the net.

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Getting a B&M will always beat out having to take a BM.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:06 AM
Rules are rules, the last thing I did for my community was to follow the rules set forth by the parks.

Just because I'm an "enthusiast" or such does not make it OK for me to pick around which rules I see fit to break.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:07 AM
Thanks for jumping to conclusions p_c_r. Robb and Elissa have already explained (on these boards) that they NEVER take cameras on when they aren't supposed too. Most of the time, they get permission, and they have also said that they never "sneak" their camera on the ride. Their videos from last year are excellent and I can't wait to receive mine for this year.

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My two favorite coasters are both named Superman.
Nitro, Gemini, Laser, Ice, Thunder...The American Gladiators!

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:08 AM
I follow the rules too, but I value the videos they produce more than the fact that you don't smoke in line (greatly appreciated though), throw trash in the trashcan (sincere thanks), and don't line jump (well you don't wanna get clotheslined ;)).

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Getting a B&M will always beat out having to take a BM.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:09 AM
Asking a ride op for permission to take a camera on isn't permission, it's avoiding the situation by asking a person who's just going to give you the answer YOU want.

'nuff said.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:12 AM
Sorry but many parks just don't consider it a real big problem. It's not an actual violation of rules on many of the rides.

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http://www.coasters2k.com

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:18 AM

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it ;). Ride ops are in charge of enforcing park rules. If they do not, then the employee and park, not the guest, should be held responsible for what the on-duty park employee told the guest about their rules. Many parks do not even have camera rules posted anywhere, and many of his videos come from Media Days, when cameras are probably encouraged.

There was a lengthy thread on this a few months ago refering to the 2001 videos, (of which p_c_r particpated in), so I won't waste my time or your time rehashing what was said there. The link is http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=11&TopicID=16927 .

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My two favorite coasters are both named Superman.
Nitro, Gemini, Laser, Ice, Thunder...The American Gladiators!

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:58 AM

Um, I had permission from the park for S:UF as well as every coaster you see in the Europe video. We send copies of the videos to the parks that are included in them and all we get are positive responses and constantly asked "when are you coming back?" BGW and PKD were thrilled to have us to the ACE Con 2003 promo video that was shown at ACE Con 2002 and CP and SFWOA is having us come and do next year's con promo. Even Knott's loved our XLR8R clip.

There is nothing that we do that is against the rules. It's all sorted out ahead of time.

Sorry if this sounded a bit defensive, but how else do you think I should react when someone claims I'm breaking the rules? =)

The videos are all about *fun* for us. And that's what we hope shows through on the videos! We've been told over and over that "if you're going to make coaster videos, you can pretty much throw any enjoyment at parks out the window." We like to say just the opposite. We believe that even though we do some intense shooting at parks, we want to show off the parks and having an awesome time! Which is one of the reason that sometimes our POV or onride footage suffers because we choose to take a 'people' or 'fun' shot over straight POV.

Anyway, I'm really glad you liked the videos. Thank you very much! it's reading those posts that makes us happy to keep doing them. If you have any questions at all, please AIM me or email me.

Thanks

--Robb
robbalvey@aol.com
AIM: robbalvey

*** This post was edited by Robb Alvey on 9/28/2002. ***

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:05 AM

p_c_r said:
Asking a ride op for permission to take a camera on isn't permission, it's avoiding the situation by asking a person who's just going to give you the answer YOU want.

'nuff said.



Oh, and one more thing, asking a ride op for permission is usally the worst thing you can do. 99% of the time they would tell you no. I've had a ride op tell me yes on a number of occassions, but it's mostly for when I'm not 100% of the park policies (like SFOG for example). All parks are different some rides allow cameras (like almost all CA and TX parks), some don't, like CP. You'll notice that there is almost no onride footage in any of the CP segments because it's very rare to get permission there.

Although there have been parks, which I won't go into detail where I have been told by sr. management "we normally don't allow it, but it's ok to take your camera out on the lift hill, because we'd love to see the footage."

In those cases, I don't feel like I'm breaking the rules because that's what I was told to do! =) Ok, I'm ranted enough about this.

--Robb "Just watned to clear the air, so I can go on having fun making videos!" Alvey

*** This post was edited by Robb Alvey on 9/28/2002. ***

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:12 AM
Let's just "say" that if you were as well-known in the industry as Robb and Elissa are, it would make it a *tad* easier to get permission from park management, mmmkay.....;)
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Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:15 AM

rollergator said:
Let's just "say" that if you were as well-known in the industry as Robb and Elissa are, it would make it a *tad* easier to get permission from park management, mmmkay.....


It's not like we're really 'well known'...we just like to go to parks and shoot video! =) I actually feel bad calling parks and asking for stuff, but they all seemed more than accomidating. I was thrilled when Paula said ok for letting us take our 'water rig' on Zoombabwe this year! That was some of the most fun I had shooting all year! Again, I just want to stress that it's all for fun.....

--Robb

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:56 AM
No, I'd say your well known in the coaster community. I've never met you a day in my life, but I have a couple of your videos. Good stuff. Thanks.

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Getting a B&M will always beat out having to take a BM.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:04 AM

Parks love the free press...and yes I know these videos stay pretty close to the enthusiast community, but they further our knowledge of the parks. I absolutley love the videos, and after working at a park for 5 years, I can tell you that there are instances where camera's are allowed. The main reason parks do not allow cameras is the liability of one becoming dislodged and airborne during a ride. For this reason, Joe Public is not allowed to have one. In Robb and Elissa's case, they do this all they time and are experienced on how to properly secure a camera.

p_c_r...before you attack something like this, you should do yourself a favor and investigate first.

Keep up the good work Robb & Elissa!

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Waiting for the CP announcement to be made so that about 1000+ posts will be made complaining about it.

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:10 PM

Whats Rob's website that has the videos?

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"My friend who works there said.." In enthusiast talk is,"The Lemon Chill guy said.."

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:16 PM
http://www.themeparkreview.com

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My two favorite coasters are both named Superman.
Nitro, Gemini, Laser, Ice, Thunder...The American Gladiators!

*** This post was edited by astrosgp on 9/28/2002. ***

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Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:18 PM
Well p_c_r, Why aren't you attacking the discovery network? The Travel Channel takes cameras on rides. Are they rule breakers?
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