Frontier City: Why no expansion?

Wednesday, May 1, 2002 2:38 AM
I personally love to see Six Flags acquire and spice up parks until they turn them into Six Flags. To me, watching Riverside and Adventure World add new rides each year was very exciting and then eventually seeing them deemed Six Flags Parks, with their vast array of thrills. It's great to see The Great Escape and Enchanted Village (and possibly Jazzland) getting new rides, but why is it that Frontier City, the park closest to SF headquarters, gets very little in terms of new rides? Anybody know?

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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 2:41 AM
and the fact that season passes arent good there makes me wonder also. I think it is because that little amount of people go there, that is doesnt make the money for an expansion.
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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 6:12 AM

That's pretty much it. Take a look at the population base in that area. That is one of the determining factors when it comes to expansion. Sure you could increase the ride capacity, but would there be enough people going there to pay for the operation,let alone pay down the cost of the expansion?

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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 1:03 PM
Well that might be the case, but why make it even more difficult for people to come to it when their SF passes don't work there. I might have stopped on the way down to the Texas parks IF it had been good there, but nope. It's not worth paying the full admission to go there.

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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 1:52 PM
thats the thing, theyc ant afford to have season passes work there. if they did then they owuld make no money at all.
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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 1:57 PM
well at least some people would come to the park then.

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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 9:00 PM

I also find Six Flags treatment of Frontier City puzzling. It's never going to be one of the 'big' parks; there's the population density issue, they may be land limited for expansion, and OKC isn't known as a tourist destination. But why not make it a nice 'small' park that would give us folks in the DFW area a reason to visit? I hear so much positive about Holiday World and it's not a large park. FC is themed fairly well and the ride selection isn't bad (there's room for improvement) , but there are some issues that could easily be addressed without large capital spending :

(1) Honor Six Flags seasons passes. By the way, my pass purchased at SFOT got us in for half price last year, but this arrangement still keeps a number of Texas pass holders from giving FC a chance. (I'm 50 miles from SFOT and FC is the next closest Six Flags property at 200 miles). Why specifically exclude Frontier City? I have no problem excluding the water park in OKC, but it makes no sense to specifically exclude Frontier City. Maybe there's some legal, ownership, or management reason but I've never seen an explanation. My opinion is that since typically half Six Flags revenue is from sources other than the ticket price, you are much more likely to splurge on the drinks, foods, and souvies if you've used the season pass, to say nothing of the fact you might visit more than once a year (remember you're getting hit for parking every visit too).

(2) Run and manage the place like somebody cares. My experience was there were too many rides closed, insufficient and unenthusiatic staffing, very inefficient ride operation, and grounds and water areas with litter and trash visible. I place total responsibility for these problems on management, and this really bugs me since corporate is right there! Why not make FC the 'training ground' for your up and coming managers that move on to the 'big' parks once they've shown they know how to run a small operation?

(3) A little promotion in the major metro areas like DFW would go a long ways. They might want to team with with OKC tourism promotion, since most Texans don't seem to think there's anything to do in OKC. I've seen a number of television promos for Fiesta Texas here and San Antonio is about 280 miles away. Now OKC doesn't compare with San Antonio, but some promotion could make people at least think about going north for a change.

Do these ideas make sense to you? I'd love to hear Six Flags response ...

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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 9:19 PM
I've never been to the park or even that area, but it has always puzzled me also. I think that gravityrules makes some very good points. They could start by honoring season passes and see what happens. They certainly can't lose money by doing this. It's not like it would overwhelm the park and leave them short staffed. It could only help to open it as a destination to people like me who are always looking to go park hopping with my season pass. I don't know about anyone else, but just because I get into another SF park for free doesn't mean I leave my wallet at home. I spend more money when I visit another SF park than I do at my home park.
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Wednesday, May 1, 2002 11:00 PM
You make a bunch of good point gravity, I mean if Des Moines and Southern Indiana can support parks, I see no reason why Oklahoma City can't.

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Thursday, May 2, 2002 11:04 AM
Perhaps they want to "preserve" it for historical reasons? This was Gary Story's first park and the birthplace of Premier Parks.

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