Monday, December 6, 2004 12:56 AM
And you wonder why we are paying $50-$65 to get into parks. Looks like someone didn't get into the 401k early in his career!
I hate this sue happy world!
Monday, December 6, 2004 2:37 AM
What do you expect? Six Flags said Shockwave was fired, but it really just quit working.
Monday, December 6, 2004 5:48 AM
I think he's got every right to sue. I know I would sue the company that I'm working for, if I were publicly embarrassed by claiming I was fired, rather then quit. Being fired doesn't look good on a resume.
Monday, December 6, 2004 7:33 AM
DS: It's automatic. Someone sues a park, the news item shows up here, and then its written off to sue-happiness by some (despite what the details of the case are.)
Sam A. Marks
Monday, December 6, 2004 7:44 AM
I would assume that SFGradv and many other park chains would have a signed agreement from employees stating that they would not publicly reveal company actions or policies. I also would assume that this persons actions, by taking his complaint public, were punishable by termination. If he quit, after divulging these things, "to keep from being fired" his dismissable actions preceded his voluntary termination, thereby making his termination, by his own actions, involuntary.
Isn't it interesting that he's suing for the park having "falsified the circumstances of his departure in order to hurt his chances of employment elsewhere", yet he admits that he has a BETTER JOB that pays probably alot more than his employment at the park did.
ALSO, isn't is peculiar that the Union backs up the park, and not the employee?
Sadly, regardless of what park chain I visit, the "International Employees" all seem to work about 200% harder than the average American Employee. ( I know there are ride ops that read this board, and i'm not speaking of *everyone* but employees in general) Folks wonder why AOL has it's tech assist department in INDIA? 'cause they still have work ethics, and value employment.
Monday, December 6, 2004 8:31 AM
The sad part is that the International Employees work hard, and are treated the worst. I had never heard about the situation in New Jersey mentioned in the article but this is one of several news articles we've had over the years including stories about Six Flags and international workers. I wish a major news source would pick that story up because there's a quite a trend there...
Monday, December 6, 2004 8:38 AM
It's at-will employment. The employee understands that he or she can be fired or released at any time.Also, the employee can quit at anytime.
This lawsuit is just stupid. We live in a greedy, lawsuit age where people like to sue. Fifty years from now, lawsuits will be the nation's pastime- forget baseball.
As what Marks said, the employee agrees not to release anything to the media. I could see if the 67 yr old was subjected to poor working conditions-- but not to talk about the conditions of the internationals.
I have worked with international workers for over three years and I must admit they are some of the most hard working individuals. However, I have seen quite a few other ones who are lazy. It is a hit or miss situation. Sadly enough, parks do not have better policies in tact in terms of providing for internationals, but that is a fact of life.
And about India.... American companies are there for the cheaper labor. Not because Indians necessarily work harder than Americans-- but it all comes down to GREED.
Don't be greedy this holiday season!
Monday, December 6, 2004 9:11 AM
Every time this comes up, everyone acts as if they have all the facts and know what the outcome should be.
There are two issues. The first asks if his termination or alleged "falsification" came as a result of his complaints regarding the treatments of international employees. If it's retribution, the park is in trouble, according to the article, because of New Jersey's whistle blower law.
The second, and harder thing to prove, is whether or not he suffered loss as a result of the park's actions. If it's a jury trial, he might have a shot there, since "loss" could be defined pretty broadly.
And Indians, Asians, or pretty much any immigrants do, in my experience work harder when they come to this country, at least among programmers. I've been on enough teams as the "token white boy" to see that.
Monday, December 6, 2004 10:45 AM
Gotta love those 70 hour work weeks! ;)
Monday, December 6, 2004 12:45 PM
I know nothing to speak of about the particulars of this case. But I will make some comments.
1) This probably wouldn't have made the paper at all if the business involved was something other than an amusement park. Law suits relating to terminations are pretty common, and are usually settled quietly out of court with adjustments to the details of the departure.
2) While I'm not familiar with New Jersey's whistle blower law, most whistle blower laws protect the whistle blower for reporting issues to the authorities, not for reporting them to the press, unless the authorities are notified first. They also usually provide only limited protection when the accusations are not well founded. Again, I don't know the particulars, just givng some idea of the possibilities.
Monday, December 6, 2004 4:45 PM
Wow! He was living in a trailer. Mr. 6 started out in a trailer but was upgraded to a phone booth due to his approval rating. In the off-season, he has an orange crate in Boca Raton.
Monday, December 6, 2004 5:48 PM
Sam, AOL and others do not outsource their tech support because of work ethics. How naive of you!!!!!
They do it because IT'S CHEAPER!!!!!!!!! And half the time they can't understand your problem because they do not know the English language that good. I've had it with outsourced tech support. Net-Zero does the same thing.
Monday, December 6, 2004 6:17 PM
...because they do not know the English language that good.
Oh, the irony...
Monday, December 6, 2004 7:42 PM
What good does it do to know the English language if you dont speak it WELL? ;)
Tuesday, December 7, 2004 12:30 PM
Most outsourcing to other countries is not due to productivity issues, it is due to low wages available in other countries. In my own industry there is a big move to relocate/outsource in China. The same operation typically employees 5 to 10 times as many workers in China as in the US. They just make a whole lot less money. Lots of cheap bodies are substituted for automation and a few expensive workers here.
Tuesday, December 7, 2004 5:29 PM
Wow Jeff just about summed that up. Ignorance is running rampant and its name is swampfoxer.