Flying turns testing video on youtube.

Monday, July 8, 2013 10:25 PM

I was at my friend Paul's on Friday night, and I saw a testing video of the Flying turns ride at Knoebels. It's a POV shot, and the first part of the ride looks like it would probably be pretty boring. However, after the second lift, it looks like it will have some good speed, and some decent high turns. And will be a fun ride if it ever opens.

Just wondering if anyone else has seen the video. If not, it's as simple as looking up Knoebels Flying turn testing pov on youtube. Or Just Knoebels flying turns on youtube, and you should find it.

If you have seen it, what do you think of it. Looks better than I thought it would be, though a bit short.

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Monday, July 8, 2013 10:37 PM

Those are old POV's so you cant judge the ride by those because they were done with different trains. I haven't seen any pov's with the new train design.

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Monday, July 8, 2013 10:42 PM

Yeah. I didn't check the date on when the POV was taken. But, I'm sure that the course of the ride won't change no matter what type of train they eventually use. Though, I think it did say it was POV with a new train.

But, the course in general looked fun, a lot more turns then rides like disaster transport, and it looked like it might run faster. And, might even be a longer ride. Though Disaster Transport was pretty short.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:12 AM

I barely remember my ride on Disaster Transport, it was that boring. When I timed a test run of Flying Turns years ago, the main section after the second lift took under 30 seconds. It looks pretty intense on the POV though. (I'll have to look up this POV you mention to see how new it is. The only POV I've ever seen didn't include the helix, only the main section. So maybe they did shoot one with the new cars.)

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Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:46 AM

The old original Flying Turns were always very, very short rides. The tallest of them was the one at Euclid Beach and I think it was 22 seconds from the top to the bottom. I wouldn't expect this one to be any different.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:43 PM

The POV I saw on youtube was from station to station. Started out of the station up the first lift, a drop and a couple turns, then the second lift. Then it ran from that lift back to the station. It did say that it was a run with new trains. But, again, I did not check the date.

I don't have access to high speed internet today, or I would check again and post a link to the video. As for Disaster transport. I actually thought it was a better ride when it was just a bobsled coaster. Though rolling thunder at Great America seemed better.

Must not have been popular rides, because most of them have been torn down. I was actually surprised that Disaster Transport lasted as long as it did.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:18 PM

most of them have been torn down? of the intamin type, 5 were built and three are still operating. of the Mack type, 6 were built and five are still operating.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:08 PM

I was at Knoebels on Tuesday July 2, and they were testing for the better part of the day. The cars had the water dummies, and as the day progressed they would stop and fill the dummies with more water. I spoke with the guy who was putting in the water. He said testing has been going good so far. What he was doing was filling and draining dummies to simulate different weight distribution, first car full, second 1/4, last car 3/4......

After they would fill the dummies they would run the train in a continuous loop for a while, then stop and redistribute the weight in the dummies. The guy would not give any info on when it might open, but talking to some of the ride ops throughout the park during the course of the day, the consistent answer was sometime in august.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:09 AM

Hey Jason.

I may be wrong. I know that Disaster transport was demolished, and Rolling Thunder at Great America was also removed. But, not sure if it was torn down or if it was relocated, six flags often move rides to other parks. There was also one called chaos at Opryland in Tennessee. (OOOPs. Screaming delta demon)

Also, I was also not talking about the mack versions, just the rides that are similar to Disaster Transport, as the rides like the one at Kings Dominion don't ride the same, and are better rides. Just what I have heard.

The only other bobsled ride similar to DT that I know of that is still operating is the one at Six Flags Over Texas. Curious as to what other ones are still running.

Last edited by Timber-Rider, Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:38 AM
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Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:27 AM

Opryland's ride was Screamin Delta Demon. Chaos was something else.

Six Flags Great America's Rolling Thunder now operates at Great Escape under the name Alpine Bobsled. The Intamin bobsleds were all the same, so basically if you've been on one you've been on em all. Sled style may vary as some had tandem-style and some had side by side seating. Some changed sleds mid-life.

The only exception was Avalanche Run/Disaster Transport which was the only larger version ever ordered. I actually preferred the smaller rides with the tandem seats. La Vibora still fits that bill I think.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:33 AM

Darn RCMAC you beat me to it.

You said all that I wanted to say. I was just double checking on RCDB. And, everything you said is correct. Though, I really didn't see that much of a difference between Great America's Rolling Thunder and Avalanche/DT. They seem pretty much the same to me.

When Disaster Transport opened, I actually thought it was kinda lame. I was hoping for something much more exciting.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 12:38 AM

I loved Disaster Transport when I rode it back in '06, the darkness and theming made the ride cool. I've been on Alpine Bobsled too but I don't much remember it. Flying Turns is weird, the whole first lift hill seems pointless because there isn't much payoff. After the second one though, it looks like it gets pretty cool!

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 1:07 AM

T-R, the smaller bobsleds have tighter turns and 4 blocks, I believe. CP's larger model, while including many of the same layout features, had much wider (and consequently slower) turns and only 3 blocks. That to me is why it wasn't as good. The smaller ones, even though I would never consider them high-thrill, are at least snappier.

No matter, the big'n's gone now anyway.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:21 AM

RCMAC said:

Six Flags Great America's Rolling Thunder now operates at Great Escape under the name Alpine Bobsled.

One of those rides that I've been on in two locations, as it was also the Sarajevo Bobsled at GrAdv. I didn't ride it in Chicago.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:47 AM

bjames said:

Flying Turns is weird, the whole first lift hill seems pointless because there isn't much payoff.

Your correct. Originally the transfer track was to be located to the left as you crested the first hill. But after some early testing they determined the train wouldn't be able to transition into the 2nd lift as it came out of the transfer. They never built it there. Though, the footers were poured and are still there as far as I know.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:33 PM

A friend of mine who is well traveled called BPB's Mack bobsled ^ the best he'd ever ridden. I tried it on YouTube and didn't think it looked all that great. The one at Europa looks good, but that only makes sense.

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:37 PM

It seems that bobsleds named "Avalanche" are just plain better... ;~)

edit: I should note that I really like the visual appeal and ride of the "trough" on the Intamin sleds as well.

Being a huge fan of the bobsled rides might be partially responsible for my being psyched about Turns to the extent I am, even (especially?) after ALL this time...

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Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:08 PM

Oh, me too. I'm especially interested, since I had the good fortune to ride an "original" , to see how the re-creation turns out.

I keep putting off the trip, though...

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Sunday, July 14, 2013 4:13 PM

rollergator said:

It seems that bobsleds named "Avalanche" are just plain better... ;~)

edit: I should note that I really like the visual appeal and ride of the "trough" on the Intamin sleds as well.

Being a huge fan of the bobsled rides might be partially responsible for my being psyched about Turns to the extent I am, even (especially?) after ALL this time...

Bill, did you ever get that fun bobsled at Portopialand? I loved it. That place was a Schwartzkopf dream.... :)

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