Flying Coaster?

Friday, April 5, 2002 6:33 AM
I know these flying coasters are the next greatest thing, but I don't know. I havent heard the response that I have heard from X. I know its only been open for a day or two. I have been on X and X-flight and Ithought that X felt a lot more like flying then X-flight. Some of that was due to the location of the track. On X you can't see it. I know this B&M is going to be different then X-flight, but we shall see.

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Is it true its always happy out here? If it is I'd like to stay a while....

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Friday, April 5, 2002 6:41 AM

If you want my opinion, X-Flight and Batwing are two of my least favorite coasters, and X is probably the best steel ride I have ever ridden. The experiences are completely different, and yes, X really is much closer to flying, especially at the top of the first raven turn.

It will be interesting to see how S:UF plays out but at this point i'm still skeptical.

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Friday, April 5, 2002 7:02 AM

right now, X probably is more like flying than the Vekoma flyers, but Vekoma and B&M are apples and oranges. Vekoma focused more on intensity whereas B&M focused more on the joy of flight. Alton Towers has been saying for the longest time that AIR wasn't meant to be big, bad, and scary. AIR was meant to make riders feel like they were flying, not crashing. Vekoma wanted loops and twists and high speed helicies and because they wanted a ride so intense, they had to often flip riders on their backs in order to make the element comfortable.

X and the B&M flyers may not give the same feeling of flight, but I think that B&M flyers are going to feel more like flying than the Vekoma flyers.

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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Knott's Berry Farm Cuba ~South Park
"Your proctologist called, he found your head!" ~Jerry "The King" Lawler

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Friday, April 5, 2002 7:11 AM
....here's where the "feeling of flight" argument gets a little tricky....IMO, the Zamperlas, even though they may travel at considerably slower speeds, will give a more "realistic" feel since they will swing side to side like the suspendeds....
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Friday, April 5, 2002 7:51 AM
Those Zamperlas can swing?! This gets better..I've said to gator before today that the Skytrak flyer, which was more comparable with the Zamps than the Veks and Beemers was a better ride cause of the single car factor. But how can a swinging ride handle those inlines?

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Friday, April 5, 2002 2:47 PM
Just because Arrow's suspendeds never performed inlines, it doesn't mean that they couldn't. In fact, I think they had plans for a twisting suspended. I don't see why not for Zamp...

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Friday, April 5, 2002 2:55 PM
think about it, inlines would be capable on swinging car coasters. it would make the cars swing a lot and put quite a bit of stress on the track, but it is possible. that is the only inversion that is possible though, maybe except for corkscrews. imagine a vertical loop on a swinging car coaster, disaster waiting to happen!
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Friday, April 5, 2002 3:17 PM

I'm not so sure that the cars do swing. This is the first I have heard of that. They look rigid on SFEG's commercial. The animation can be seen here.

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Friday, April 5, 2002 3:21 PM
i think they do swing, look at the picture, the cars arent perpendicular to the track, and they would be if they didnt swing.
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Friday, April 5, 2002 3:29 PM
even if the cars can swing, you're still over protected. its like lying on the ground with your head sticking over the cliff at the Grand Canyon. amazing view, but it doesn't really feel like you're flying nor does it feel like you're free to fly as the majority of your body is on the ground. aside from that, the Zamp's are all tight, mouse-like twisters which wouldn't convey flying to me. flying is all about soaring in the open air and then swooping along the ground. and performing aerobatic moves throughout.

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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Knott's Berry Farm Cuba ~South Park
"Your proctologist called, he found your head!" ~Jerry "The King" Lawler

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Friday, April 5, 2002 3:34 PM
That ride looks awesome!

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Friday, April 5, 2002 3:47 PM

SFGA Bob said:
even if the cars can swing, you're still over protected. its like lying on the ground with your head sticking over the cliff at the Grand Canyon. amazing view, but it doesn't really feel like you're flying nor does it feel like you're free to fly

Nothing against you personally, but unles you rode the ride while it was in Italy, how can you say exactly what the ride will feel like? I haven't ridden it any flying coasters, but from what I have heard other flying coasters don't really feel like you are flying unless you are in the front car. At least with this coaster everyone will be in the front car. Yes, the restraints look a little constrictive, but until I have ridden TFC i will have no idea what they feel like. What is with all this rating, trashing, and classifying of coasters before they have even taken their first test runs? I know that it is not a huge record breaking 90 mph+ coaster, but at least give it a spin before you rate it. So, nothng against you Bob, I was just using you as an example for something that has become an anathema to me lately.

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*** This post was edited by Mustang on 4/5/2002. ***

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Friday, April 5, 2002 3:59 PM

I've ridden something similar. it wasn't a coaster, but it was a "thrill" ride at a local fair. the cars/restraints look shocking similar to the one that I rode. now this didn't do flips or anything and watching the ground swirl, then come slowly towards me, then swirl, then go slowly away from me over and over again got me kinda sick, but the darn cars were so uncomfortable and restrictive that I couldn't wait to get off as soon as I got on.

I'm sure that going through a maze of supports will be a great improvement over spinning grass, but I think that I have a good idea of what the restraints will feel like. also, I'm not saying that its going to suck because I really don't know, but from the look of the restraints and the layout of the track, I think that B&M's flyers will be far superior to Zamp's.

one thing that I don't get, though, is how the view from a non-front row will really effect the experience considering there isn't a car in your eyeline while riding. everybody's looking away from both the track and the cars. you'd have to look up or down to see another car and I think that might hurt after a while. it seems like it would be extremely easy to avoid the sight of other cars on a flying coaster as opposed to other coasters where everyone but the front row has to look at the row in front of it.

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-Bob (formerly Coaster Jedi)
Knott's Berry Farm Cuba ~South Park
"Your proctologist called, he found your head!" ~Jerry "The King" Lawler

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Friday, April 5, 2002 4:51 PM

...remember, those who have not been playing the home version of our little game here, that I KNOW no one of "authority".

I have heard from one individual who has come up with a few "tidbits" in the past that the cars would swing...is this a FACT? We'll see. I can't say 'cause I don't KNOW...not 'cause I have "inside info"...but, think about it this way. To come out with a "flying coaster" that travels at those speeds at this point in time, it ought to have something different to offer....no?

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