Monday, July 17, 2000 1:50 PM
I think it's just a gimic. I don't think standing up or no floor adds much to the ride. Do you ever look down at your feet on a floorless other than when you first leave the station or up the lift? I don't. I think its cool your all in the open Apollo gives that feeling though. I just think Chang, Mantis, and Batman Knight Flight would be just as good if they had standard trains. I'm using these for examples since their the only ones by B&M i've ridden.
What's everyone elses opinion?
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Monday, July 17, 2000 3:16 PM
I wouldnt call the standup a gimick because your body is placed in a different position. On the other hand the floorless coaster is basically a standard looper with the floor missing.
Monday, July 17, 2000 4:23 PM
Stand-ups do change the way a ride feels, but floorless coasters are just loopers. I mean, if you're going to build a looper, you might as well make it floorless, but after riding one I'm not crazy about calling it a selling point. It's a novelty.
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Monday, July 17, 2000 6:24 PM
Floorless cars are a bit of a gimmick, but they're still B&M sitdown loopers, and that's not a bad thing ;-)
I'm actually not a HUGE fan of standups, though. They're alright, but I'd rather a good sitdown.
Monday, July 17, 2000 6:44 PM
How many B&M sitdown "regular" loopers are there anyways? Kumba is the only one I can think of.
As for standups, I could do without them, personally. Maybe I just need to lose some weight?
Gotta ride 'em all!
Monday, July 17, 2000 8:00 PM
B+M Sitdown Loopers: Kumba, Hulk
Monday, July 17, 2000 9:37 PM
Dragon Khan too
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Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:21 AM
I agree with coasterpunk. Floorless coasters don't feel too much different from a standard sitdown. Standups *do* feel different but I can certainly do without it. It is just an uncomfortable and unnatural way to ride.
Tuesday, July 18, 2000 8:27 AM
I wouldn't call the stand-up format a gimmick at all. Drops are more like stepping off a roof and you can really feel the positive g's and are actually pushed down from them - especially going into a vert loop. Changes in track tilt are also very cool while standing up. I don't find B&M stand-ups uncomfortable at all. Also, future B&M stand-ups are rumored to feature a new harness mechanism.
However, I do agree that the floorless(forceless) cars are a gimmick. The "footchopper" effect is minimal IMO.
B&M sitdowns: Kumba, DK, S:KC, B:KF, Kraken, Medusa East, Medusa West, Hulk.
Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:12 AM
I dunno about all of you, but the fact there there is no floor for me feet to rest on makes me feel more free and more comfortable, instead of cramming my long legs into a small area.
Wednesday, July 19, 2000 6:35 AM
Gimmick or not, the floorless fills the void left by the older sitdown Arrow mega-loopers. (Vortex PKI, Steel Phantom, Viper SFMM) Since those have fallen out of favor, the only new looping sit downs going into parks were B&M Inverts, Vekoma SLC's and Boomerangs. Thanks to the floorless loopers, parks are interested in getting not only "the latest thing" but also a good looping ride. We are all a little sick and tired of the old Arrows by now, so gimme something new!
Also Richard has a good point about legroom. All of us 6 footers are tired of squeezing into small cabs only to get bounced around and bruised.
Gotta ride 'em all!
Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:11 AM
But those of you whom have ridden a B&M hyper know that the seats are so high up that your feet don't touch the floor anyway.
I asked for a car, I got a computer. How's that for being born under a bad sign?
Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:42 PM
Being 6ft 2 inches tall and riding Raging Bull and yet the feet still dont touch the floor is awesome. Of course sticking the legs straight out gives a better sensation. You are not enclosed on this ride at all. I hope the rumor of SFGAm getting a B&M floorless next year is true. I would like to experience a normal sitdown position on a B&M looper.