First Rule of Thumb

Monday, October 2, 2000 9:50 PM
Hey guys, I've just noticed major grumbling in the forum lately. I just want to remind everyone that Jeff is human, he's doing this site on his own free time, and he's giving us a place to shoot the bull. (for free I might add.)

I realize that he's very pro Cedar Point. I've never personally been there (yet), but with Valleyfair! being my home park I can understand why he might want to defend his home park. (I do the very same thing)

If you've ever heard the term "don't bite the hand that feeds you" please try and apply it here. He's providing us a service free of charge guys, plus he's been an active moderator and just an all around member in general. Count your blessings, most mods rarely even check the boards.

Also, as for the "censorship" that Jeff's been laying down you've all got to realize that Jeff is trying to prevent this forum from turning into a home for flame wars and simple negativity.

Personally, I might have some misgivings about Jeff, then again, I might not, because I don't really know him. I'm not sure how many of you guys do, but too many assume that they do.

As for the people that like the parks that Jeff doesn't like, realize that the posts aren't generally taken down (or closed) for the fact that you're professing your love for the park; its just that its too easy of a place to start a quick flame war with so many Cedar Point Religious fanatics. So, maybe a seperate forum can be created for you guys when I open my site at (sorry for the plug), but for now don't try and get yourself into any flaming situations. Its just a good rule of thumb.

In closing I just want to stress that this isn't being done by request of Jeff or anything I just felt like something needed to be said for a guy that's dedicating a lot of his time for us. Thanks

Randy Hutchinson
You build it, I'll ride it
Monday, October 2, 2000 11:04 PM
Very well put randy and thanks jeff for the great site.
Monday, October 2, 2000 11:08 PM
Although I dont know Jeff personally, from what I have gathered from his statements on this site and sister site(GTTP) throughout the 10 months I have been a member he strikes me as the type that is firm and has a little attitude mixed in. To me there is nothing wrong with this. This makes a strong person in todays society because being weak gets you nowhere. If you want to have an attitude back that is alright as long as you do it respectfully and have concrete words to back it up. This site is about amusement and should be treated as such. Please stop treating it like its the end of the world. Rule of thumb, dont piss off the webmaster or his moderators or you will be dealt with. It can be hazardous to your health, heh, heh.


*** This post was edited by Chitown on 10/3/2000. *** *** This post was edited by Chitown on 10/3/2000. ***
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 5:07 AM
Chitown, VERY WELL SAID. I have watched/read your posts on GTTP and here. I bet a few have been deleted but you "learned" what is considered acceptable in the forums. Chitown, your posts now always have a solid point and FACTS to back up your point. If Jeff agrees or disagrees with your post is NOT IMPORTANT. What is important is the CONTENT of your post.
THIS IS HOW ANYONE SHOULD POST IN THE FORUMS...We don't want to see "This guy "stinks" or your park Is lousy...If you have a VALID POINT express it.
Take the "second grade" whinning to some other forum.
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 6:06 AM
Thanks guys... Chitown has a pretty good view on my personality. No one is allowed to be a bigger jerk than me! ;)

Seriously though, Coaster God (the artist formerly known as Old Timer Tim) does know me, and in fact he's in my wedding. He nailed it... what I agree with is not important at all, it's how you say it. That's something the SFO crowd never really understood. If I don't agree with what you say, I might disagree, and I'm all for healthy debate. Interpreting that as personal, an attack on your park (because another is better) or whatever is reading in to things.

What I think of Cedar Point is not the issue. Anyone who has lurked in CP Place knows just how fired up I get when they do something stupid (lazy cops, Ticket to Ride, etc.), just as I would any other park. If anything, I'm their harshest critic because I expect more from them. That said, Cedar Point is still not an issue.

I have always said that this is a moderated forum, and that's not going to change. Moderation happens for several reasons:
1. Keep things clean.
2. Keep them moving forward (i.e., avoid pointless superlative threads).
3. Stop flame wars before they start.
4. Nuke anything that reaks of "I have all the inside info" nonsense. That's the "those who know" principle I've mentioned.

Some people don't like moderated forums, and that's fine, but I for one don't enjoy unmoderated forums because of all of the noise.

This site has exploded in popularity because of the way we run a tight ship around here, and it has quickly become one of the best coaster sites on the Net. If that sounds cocky or arrogant, so be it, the results speak for themselves. I'm proud of the community we have here and all of its contributing members who make up the essence of the site. We have an excellent bunch of people here, and that credit goes to its members. I won't let people destroy that.

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Tuesday, October 3, 2000 9:52 AM
Gee, usually the only time I post is to argue with Jeff. I've never had a post deleted or a forum closed. It's all in how you do it.
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 10:14 AM
I only joined CoasterBuzz a few weeks ago but I did so for all the reasons mentioned here. I read posts on other sites and was disturbed to see so much flaming going on. Too many posts started with "To the idiot..." or "You don't know what you're talking about. How can you not like (fill in park or ride here)." I enjoy reading the posts here and partaking as I can.

Jeff, keep up the excellent work and I hope to be reading posts here for a long time to come.

"Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious." - Brendan Gill
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 10:15 AM
Good example... how many times have we gone around about the profit/stock/divident/earnings stuff? ;)

You know, I've tried to keep the conversation pleasant, and even had a few good e-mail exchanges with people. I think some of us understand each other.

Of course some people resort to naughty words. One guy called me a "short fat man who has a sorry life" (not sure how 5'8" and 190 lbs. is short and fat, but whatever). It sometimes amazes me how much energy people put in to that kind of negativity. That, to me, would be a sorry life.

The problem with the Internet is the whole anonymity thing. People tend to forget that the other people out there are indeed real live people.

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Tuesday, October 3, 2000 10:22 AM
Sorry jeff i have to disagree with you on the comment of its ONE of the best sites, my opinion is that it is the BEST site, other sites are only
half as good as this site and dont have as much info as this site does. thanks again william
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 10:48 AM
I will admit that this site and STTP have ticked me off a few times, but you know what, I keep coming back because of the things previously mentioned. These two sites are great fun. To be able to share a true passion for free with other people who are in the same boat is just wonderful. That is taken for granted.
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 3:57 PM
Well, here's the deal:

I've been around this and GTTP for quite awhile now, and I've been extremely close to deleting my account on both a few times because of some things that have happened. But one thing always brings me back, and that is that the people I have met through both forums, but mainly GTTP, are all good people with a similar mindset to me. I don't really know if anyone knows this, even you Jeff, but I sorta kinda owe my current boyfriend to GTTP (he's known as rOLLocoASt over there), as that's the first place he got my AIM name and he IMed me one day and asked if I thought he should work at CP. We talked every day until he left for CP, and when I got there to work we hit it off immediately. Him working at CP enabled us to meet and eventually date, and I am eternally grateful and indebted to you, Jeff, for the fact that I "knew" him before I went there hehe. Maybe you should start a coaster enthusiast personals service lol (j/k).

Anyway, Jeff, even though I don't always agree with your actions and attitude, I obviously see something being done right, because I keep coming back, even after I vow that I'm never coming back. To me, that's what makes a good site. Or maybe I just have too much time on my hands, hehe.

Very respectfully,
The Coaster Whore
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 4:58 PM
Well, I guess I'll have to put in my two cents worth. Needless to say I'm extremely new to this site and new to being a roller coaster enthusiast as well (just look at my track record...pitiful;)). However I'm not new to forums and I know for a fact that this is one place where the website Administrator actually checks and talks on the forums. Most other sites throw them in just to make people come back to the site again and again, but they very rarely check them and soon they turn into a bunch of hateful people arguing over virtually nothing. This quickly drives away anyone capable of good and interesting posts because of the fear of everything they say being ripped to shreds by these people.

These forums are for coaster fans to talk about various things, including how well what park is run. However if Jeff allowed anyone to come on here and just bad mouth different parts of the coaster industry by getting downright ugly and rude, he loses the respect of the rest of the coaster community and he's the one who suffers, not the rude people who actually cause it.

I've read through much of the forums and have not once seen Jeff end a topic just because he didn't agree with it. We're all allowed our own opinions; that's what makes this country so great. However just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't allow you to go into a personal attack on them for it. I'm sure we could all find things better to do with our getting pumped about the new coasters for next season.

Jeff, I applaud you for the fabulous work you've done in maintaining the integrity of this site while so many other sites have failed. Keep up the good work.

Sorry for getting on my soapbox, I just couldn’t keep quiet any longer.
*** This post was edited by SyntaxError on 10/3/2000. ***
Tuesday, October 3, 2000 7:55 PM
Natalie: Thanks for the praise and disgust, we like having you around. Just met rOLLocoASt working The Force last weekend when I (finally) got a night ride in the front seat (nothing short of a religious experience, and meeting him was OK too). I had no idea you guys were dating, but then again I haven't been at the park enough this year to know many seasonals.

SyntaxError: I appreciate the support, and welcome to the site.

I was chatting with someone at work today (while laughing our collective butts off at for the "Behind the Music That Sucks" animations), and we started to get a little academic about forums and on-line communities. Actually, it's what we do for a living, so in theory we should be talking about that all of the time, but sadly we spend more time exploring options for lunch, where to meet before the Cavs game (we go for the dance team) and what we're going to do when the amusement parks close. Kind of makes me wonder how I have time to mess with this site.

Anyway, we were talking about how people seem to take the rules of how to act in public and chuck them when on-line. That's odd, because as far as I'm concerned, this is public, even if we don't meet face to face.

What's even more staggering is that people will put energy in to slamming the operator of a site instead of just moving on and choosing not to visit the site. That's freedom, baby! Exercise it!

I do participate when I can, and you bet I have an interest in keeping the people rolling in. See that copyright notice at the bottom of the page? LLC means limited liability company. I've got a lot of cash tied up in running this site (and others), so I'll continue doing what I've been doing to keep people here so I can hopefully not go broke feeding my hobby.

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