Dragster's snapped again...

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sparky697 said:
How long was Perilous Plunge down for? I know it was quite a while.

CF is not perfect either.

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Yes the whole accident thing with Perilous Plunge, Sros, etc..is a bad example of SF vs. CF when it comes to getting rides back up.

I think X and Deja Vu vs. TTD uptime is what shows proof of CF's effort. Isn't X still closed every wednesday?

I agree that CF is better at fixing their rides than SF. In fact, it is pretty obvious. It seems like some people just want to argue. As for S:RoS, it had to be fast because it was a publicity nightmare for them. If S:RoS was at a CF park; A. all the seatbelts would have been the same length, and B. no fix would have been needed because the lap bar would have been put down or the guy would not have been allowed to ride. Sorry, but it is just true.

Yea what RavenTTD said ^^

Right on

If it was a CF park no fix would be needed? Then how would you explain Xcelerator being down now while they modify the restraint system?

Do explain.

Xcelerator was mandated to change by the state who is responding to an accident that SF allowed to happen. No one would have fallen out of S:RoS if it was in a CF park.

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Ride of Steel said:
X has difficulties that a are design flaws, especially the trains.

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What, exactly, does that have to do with the park being owned by Six Flags? Your example seems to support my argument a lot more than it supports yours.

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If S:RoS was at a CF park; A. all the seatbelts would have been the same length, and B. no fix would have been needed because the lap bar would have been put down or the guy would not have been allowed to ride.

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Really? Why, then, did CP put into place a new policy on Millennium Force after the S:ROS incident. And didn't Perilous Plunge throw someone out too? Yeah, that's what I thought.

-Nate *** Edited 6/6/2004 2:54:45 AM UTC by coasterdude318***

RavenTTD, are you forgetting somebody did fall out of Perilous Plunge at Knotts. A ride with the exact same restraint system. How did they allow that to happen in a CF Park? Accident's happen, and it's silly of you to think a accident like that could have never happened at a CF park when it did a few years ago.

Edit: Nate sort of beat me to it. *** Edited 6/6/2004 2:57:43 AM UTC by CoasterDude316***

...so there was a decent conversation about TTD's cable snapping...and then it turned into another CF vs SF feud. Sigh.

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Ride of Steel said:
I've been screwed once, hopefully not twice this year. I couldn't ride superman at Darien Lake and now this?

I'm going to CP June 23-24-25

But Cedar Point being the god that it is will have it open. If it was SF, it wouldn't be open till August, but CP can handle it.

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What is with all the negative SF talk, and how if it were them it would take 3 months. Hasn't anyone realized they have drasticly improved and are much better @ operating this year. They opened all three S:RoS's as fast as possible and within A MONTH of the accident. It took them under a month to dramatically change the restraints and get the rides back up, I for one say kudos to SF and how quickly they changed the rides and everyone else should realize this aswell and lay off SF.

Does it matter?

-Nate
Edit: That said, you're the only one I've ever seen say the ride did that to her.
*** Edited 6/6/2004 3:49:58 AM UTC by coasterdude318***

And for once, I'm with nate on this. Its stupid to think that if such and such park had this or that ride, things would be different. S:RoS was due to Human Error, not a design flaw. And for the whole X thing, you really think Six Flags wanted a ride that was flawed? Its not as if Arrow said "Hey, its probably gonna be down most of the first year its open,but its new and different!"

your logic (blinded by me, me, me, wah, I don't get to ride the only ride at the park with a million coasters)is annoying and flawed.

Really? Why, then, did CP put into place a new policy on Millennium Force after the S:ROS incident. And didn't Perilous Plunge throw someone out too? Yeah, that's what I thought.

-Nate *** Edited 6/6/2004 2:54:45 AM UTC by coasterdude318***

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Because Cedar Point ride ops are capable of checking to see if people should or should not ride.

That thing is tall, that thing is fast, and fat people go to CP as much as SFNE, SFDL, or SFA, and something would have happened by now. (no offense intended)

MF is safe as long as the ride ops take precautions and they are capable of doign that

What are you talking about? It's the same situation at every park. If "Cedar Point ride ops are capable of checking to see if people should or should not ride," then why did a strict policy (the one inch slack rule) have to be put into play?

I simply have no idea what you're trying to argue anymore.

-Nate

We can balme fellow Buzzer "Joe" for the Cable Break. He was at the Park both times it happened. Last time he was standing next to the area near TTD where the cable snapped. This time he was on the TTD Platform.

Coincidence? Maybe. Judge for yourself. ;)

The rule about slack was put into play because that is the appropriate size that riders should be.

SF ride ops obviously can't handle that policy so they had to get seatbelts that were EXACTLY the right size.

Funny, it seems like the Six Flags system is far less likely to anger guests. But what do I know? You're obviously an expert.

-Nate

Actually, RoS, the rule was put into play by Intamin themselves -- basically to give themselves a buffer zone in order to decide whether this will be their permanent fix or if there's another route to take. That was discussed to death in other threads immediately following the rule.

And while I (though not even CLOSE to a CP/CF fanboy) will absolutely agree that CP's ride ops have done a better job than ride ops at any Six Flags park I've ever been to, I would go out on a limb and assume that most parks with large roller coasters would train their ride ops in similar ways. What you're saying about SF ops being unable to "handle that policy" comes down mostly to a very touchy PR situation -- which, if you were in their shoes, you probably wouldn't want to touch it either. Before I noticed that the seat belt strap was over the sidebar instead of under it, an op on TTD almost threw me off the ride on May 9 -- and I'd ridden already once that day. It's incredibly embarrassing for the person responsible for the slowdown, and it creates an unfortunately embarrassing situation for the op who has to break the news.

As angry as I am about the MF seatbelt issue (I'm currently in the midst of a three-week crash diet to lose some extra pounds as an insurance policy of sorts before my visit on June 20), I realize that for right now, I have to deal with it. We'd all like to boil this down to a simple "This is bullsh*t, make it stop" argument, but the truth is that this was a complex, multifaceted situation that could be blamed as equally on a lawsuit-happy society as it could on a ride op who irresponsible messed up. Meaning that there's no cut-and-dry answer to it.

For now, we're stuck with a rule. Agree with it or disagree with it all you want, but it's not getting changed any time soon.

--Dave (who could've sworn that this had originally started out as a Dragster thread...)

All this thread is now is a bunch of stereotypical crap between CF lovers and SF lovers. Two companies who conduct themselves in completely different fashions. Both have their strong points, both have their weak points. You don't have to hate one because you like the other. CF is a great company and Six Flags is changing, just give it time.

If you want an apples to apples test just see which ride comes back up first this month -- Knott's Xcellerator or Magic Mountain's Superman. Well, okay, that one might not be fair because Superman was out of service anyway, but at least you have the same starting line and the same solution for both to make the modifications before starting them back up.

Hmm, from discussing Dragster's belt snapping (which was the original headline) to a bunch of CF fan-boys dissin' Six Flags yet again for a job not-well-done.

C'mon people... it's not just Six Flags. The design also needed to be tweeked a little on those restraints.

Anyway, as for Dragster's cable snapping. I am 100% sure that they got people working around the clock to get this repaired as soon as possible... if they gotta wait for a part from Intamin (new cable?), I'm sure Dick Kinzel himself would fly out to Switzerland to pick up the part so they can get that ride up & running as soon as possible. 2004 is supposed to be a more refined year for CP to get Dragster up-to snuff with a up-time of 99%