Do you count cloned coasters twice?

Friday, January 4, 2002 4:37 PM
There are some coasters that should count as one even if they are ridden at 2 parks, no? Coasters like FOF, Face Off, Wild mouse, and the Kiddie coasters Dragon Wagon(also seen in fairs with a variety of different cars), Taxi Jam, Woodstock Express(?). These are a few I can think of.

Don't all these coasters have the same layouts? Also, Space Mountain should count as 2 at WDW because they are 2 different coasters with 2 different layouts.

Just my .02

Friday, January 4, 2002 4:53 PM
There is more to a ride than track layout, so yes, they should be counted as different coasters, because they are different. Surroundings make a great coaster even better, and can make a mediocre coaster good, even if it's cloned.

As for racers/duelers, I personally count them as 2, at least for the racer I've been on (American Eagle). I do because each side gives a durastically different ride (blue sucks, red rocks except for the helixes)

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Friday, January 4, 2002 5:03 PM
Yes, like TrBiggar said it does have to different tracks. kinda off the topic but why is'nt Stuntmans freefall at SFGAdv and Demon Drop at CP concidered a roller coaster?
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Friday, January 4, 2002 5:17 PM
Hey Thrill -- your track record is just that:  YOURS!  Count coasters however you wish to count them and NEVER let anyone tell you your way is wrong.  The only person who has to answer to it is you, and as long as you are happy with your method of counting that's all that matters.

For the record, I count each coaster I physically ride once.  If it has more than one track I still count it as one, so for example Dueling Dragons, Gwazi, or Kennywood's Racer are each counted as one in my track record, not two.   If that coaster is moved to another park, I won't recount it, so while I've ridden SFAW's Batman The Escape I don't count it because I rode that coaster previously when it was Shockwave at SFMM.  Since I count each individual coaster I do count clones.  My reason is because if you ride SFMM's Batman you have not physically ridden any of the others.

Other people count differently that I do and that's fine. Chose your method and stick with it.

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Friday, January 4, 2002 5:51 PM
And besides, it's not a contest. It need not be a point of coaster snobbery.

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Friday, January 4, 2002 5:52 PM
I would count a clone that you rode at two different parks as two seperate, because it IS two seperate coasters.  I'm  not a fan of clones but there is still a little different to every clone. 
Friday, January 4, 2002 5:55 PM
If that superman ride at Magic Mountain is a roller coaster than, demon drop is too. What's the difference, except one is launched and one is an elevator, and one is 325 feet taller than the other. They are the same other than that. What makes the one at Magic Mountain a coaster? I'm baffled.

And as far as this topic goes. Me and my twin brother Jasper are just one person, so your answer is no.

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Friday, January 4, 2002 6:51 PM
Superman:The Escape is NOTHING like a freefall ride. To compare anything in similarity to S:TE, it would have to be a Shuttle Loop or Impulse. If they added a Giant loop to it, it would be a massive version of Montezoomas Revenge or SFoG Viper.

A FREEFALL ride is just that. A simulated FREEFALL where the enclosure is dropped down a shaft. S:TE runs on wheels and maintains constant contact with the track below.

If a park has 10 coasters and I ride them all, even if one is a boomerang and I rode a boomerang at another park, then I rode 10 coasters in addition to the others I have already ridden. One parks boomerang may ride incredibly different than another.

If you rode SFA's SROS, should you bother with SFNE's SROS????

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Friday, January 4, 2002 7:32 PM
I think Superman the escape is a true coaster.  It does the same basic thing of V2.  It launches really fast, then goes backwards.  If S:TE isnt a coaster, than neither will Wicker Twister, or whatever the new CP ride is going to be.
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 5:45 AM
I'm glad people are *finally* getting the Superman thing. It took awhile though, didn't it.  Maybe we can start to put it to rest? It's gone on long enough.

It's interesting that most people can seperate the two Superman mirrors at SFA and SFDL as it makes you realize that location plays a huge part in how we see a coaster. You could clone Ninja at SFMM six times over, but take away the SFMM terrain and you've got a completely different ride. Just a thought...

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Saturday, January 5, 2002 6:25 AM
Who cares if anything is a coaster? As long as it's fun to ride :)
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Saturday, January 5, 2002 8:13 AM
Doesn't Space Mountain have the same layout on both tracks?
Saturday, January 5, 2002 8:34 AM
I'd count clones. As said earlier in the thread two identiacal coasters can have a very different ride based on location, themeing, etc. As for dual tracked coasters I count them as two in general, although it is a grey area. Something like Dueling Dragons almost certainly has to be considered two. The tracks are not very similar at all. It truly is two seperate coasters stuck right on top of each other. A racer coaster (not Kennywood's, we'll get to that in a minute) does technically give two slightly different rides. Turn radius would be different for each side. But that's just nitpicking.

Kennywood's racer is one continuous track. So in theory you'd have to ride both sides just to have one full circuit of the track. If you only rode one side wouldn't you technically only have ridden on half the circuit?

This bring us back to regular side by side racers. I tend to think they'd be counted as one, but if I only ride one side then do I count it? If so, then what about someone who's ridden both sides?

Lots of silly little questions.

Mamoosh pretty much nailed it. As long as you're ok with the way you keep track, then it's "correct". The isn't a contest and someone who has ridden more coasters is not better than someone who hasn't ridden so many.


Saturday, January 5, 2002 8:16 PM
"This isn't a contest..." etc etc etc

Unfortunately, there are many out there who look at it as a contest, call someone who has ridden more coasters more of an "expert" than someone who hasn't, and go to every length to pad their counts (including stories I have heard of someone who "borrowed" a stranger's kid just to ride a kiddie coaster that was "adults accompaning a child only" and also scoping out any and all kiddie coasters they can find just for the numbers).

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Saturday, January 5, 2002 9:00 PM
A word of advice to mamba:

Space mountains roller coaster tracks are both different. If you go to your right, there are more helixes on that track, while if you go to your left, there are more drops.


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