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Aamilj said:

You may disagree, but to paint a picture that Fox News somehow dominates and poisons the minds of the "stupid/uninformed" does not seem to jive with the numbers.

Please, quote in my post where I said that. I will wait while you find it.

::crickets::

You asked where people were getting their information on what is "centrist", and I (regretfully) answered. There is one network out there that blatantly advertises its "middle of the road" status, and people fall for it. Plain as that.

You have to remember that I live in Ohio, so my numbers are a bit skewed in that I'm surrounded by Fox viewers, and anyone who gets their news source from anything else is a "liberal commie pinko etc.." The only "talk" radio that's aired is conservative politics and sports. Don't give me that "NPR is liberal", because 3/4 of the time, NPR is playing classical music.

You'll find a way to twist and skew my post to fit your needs and whatnot, so with that, I'll respectfully bow out of any more conversation.

Aamilj said:
You, and particularly Jeff, have offered nothing in kind. You call him centrist, offer nothing to back your opinions, and consider the debate/discussion closed.

Since when am I obligated to give you anything? Relative to the reasons I voted for the guy, he has come off centrist in his actions. I'm not going to lose any sleep over whether or not you agree with my opinion. Not to speak for Bill, but if you think that we're trying to argue how you should label the guy, you're grossly overestimating how much anyone wants to influence how you think.

Since when am I obligated to give you anything? Relative to the reasons I voted for the guy, he has come off centrist in his actions.

No obligations...you could come on here with a 2-3 sentence call him far right. I don't care. I just wanted perspective so we were clear on what the term meant. You and I have different definitions. Your center is left for me, and many other Americans. My center is right of you.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over whether or not you agree with my opinion. Not to speak for Bill, but if you think that we're trying to argue how you should label the guy, you're grossly overestimating how much anyone wants to influence how you think.

You are a difficult person to have a conversation with. Maybe it is the internet that does you wrong...but you always seem angry. We can disagree without being mean about it. Anyway, I know what your and gator's definition of center is because bird was kind enough to post something and we could gauge your response. I'll take your definition serious as you take mine.

You are a difficult person to have a conversation with. Maybe it is the internet that does you wrong...but you always seem angry.

I'm being totally serious and not trying to bait you or anything when I say that you just described the way I feel about you.

That you actually have Bill (rollergator) going into more than a 2 or 3 sentence paragraph about politics on a coaster board amazes me. That guy is as laid back as they come, and even he's coming across as slightly riled up when you post.

I'm being totally serious and not trying to bait you or anything when I say that you just described the way I feel about you.

Those that know me, know I'm as free-spirited as they come. Been handing out toys to underprivileged kids all day. My weakness is my love of economics/politics. I love to discuss it. However, you would be hard pressed to find me getting personal, except the occasional counter-jab toward you. That Remora thing was out of line, I apologize.

Seriously...have a wonderful holiday. I assure you that there is not a mean-spirited bone in my body. A lot of opinionated bones though...;)

People who post on my Web site don't make me angry. Read your own "those who know me" comment. You'll figure it out.

Aamilj said:

On the left you have ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, USA Today, New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, (most major metropolitan newspapers).

I hear this a lot, and it amuses me. I'll give you MSNBC and a couple of the newspapers (the papers largely carry the tone of the cities they originate from), as they aren't bashful about leaning left. I've spent enough time as a journalist to know that these other outlets (at least with their news, I don't really watch CNN's prime time stuff) are all pretty middle of the road. However, I always hear those who lean conservative bashing them for being left wing propaganda. I watch enough Fox News (it's on in the background at work right now) to know they spend a lot of time persuading viewers that any news outlet that isn't Fox is lying to them and pushing the liberal agenda. I'm sure that explains the mentality of the 3 million or so Fox viewers, which then to some extent carries to the people they converse with, thus spreading these ideals.

The real problem (on both ends of the spectrum) is that people typically will turn to "news outlets" that tell them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. It goes back to that whole willful ignorance thing I discussed a few pages back.

CP Chris said:

The real problem (on both ends of the spectrum) is that people typically will turn to "news outlets" that tell them what they want to hear, not what they need to hear.

Bingo. This is where the problem lies.

CP Chris said:
I'm sure that explains the mentality of the 3 million or so Fox viewers, which then to some extent carries to the people they converse with, thus spreading these ideals.

And this line doesn't make anyone else chuckle?

Look out everyone, Fox News is brainwashing your friends and neighbors.

Interestingly, I don't think Fox News is so successful because they're telling people what to think. They're so successful because they're unabashedly showing what a certain segment already thought.

The idea that I quoted feels like another example (of several in this thread alone) of someone who thinks people who don't agree with them are stupid or mislead or misunderstanding in some way.

No way dude... they're pandering. Leaning is one thing, but what they do is outright pandering for ratings, and that's not journalism at all. I mean, that's the American way, and I don't have a problem with them doing it, I just don't care for them calling it "news."

Ok. Call it pandering if you must. It's still the same thing. Identifying an audience and showing what they want to see.

The core point remains - Fox isn't creating the mentality of its viewers. It's feeding it.

I find it dubious to suggest that Fox's endless onslaught of propaganda doesn't influence people.

That doesn't surprise me.

Your not being surprised doesn't surprise me, either. ;)

:)

Hey Gonch, we gonna see an avatar with the Bad Santa beard?

I was just thinking that! Weird!

I'll get on it.

The hat really completes the look.

I still think he looks like Henry Winkler. He is cool like Fonzie.

The core point remains - Fox isn't creating the mentality of its viewers. It's feeding it.

I agree 100%. Just like every other 'news' channel when they report on politics (which is usually when I switch to another channel). These people already believe the core stuff that the political reporters preach, they're just introducing the viewer to new ways of thinking about the same old same old.