CW - Two New Shows, Two New Restaurants

Monday, February 19, 2007 12:48 PM
While nothing has come out as a press release just yet, Wonderland's Website has been updated refelecting 4 new items for 2007.

Two New Shows:

At Paramount (<?) Theatre: Endless Summer Ice Show. Looks to be the same as other CF parks are getting this year

At International Showplace: Twistin to the '60s. Lovingly ripped off from the award winning show, and likley exported to several CF parks for 2007.

Details on the shows here: http://www2.cedarfair.com/canadaswonderland/attractions/category.cfm?ac_id=22

Two New Restaurants:

Coasters Diner: Located beside Italian Job in the action zone. Again, modeled to the Coaster's Drive In restaurants found in many CF parks

The Marketplace: Unsure of the location, but this will be an all-new indoor market style all-you-can-eat buffet restaurant. Again, sounds like a model that's worked well at Cedar Point.

Details on the restaurants here: http://www2.cedarfair.com/canadaswonderland/attractions/category.cfm?ac_id=37

Other updates include Season Pass Processing times in April, and confirmation of the Season Pass preview night on May 4.

Looks like Wonderland is going to have a CF feel right off the bat. Still no new ride or major attraction for 2007 might have an impact on attendance.

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Monday, February 19, 2007 12:52 PM
With the speculation that SV is on its way out of GL, 2008 could be a good ride year. Was any electric work done at CW in preparation for a relocated FOF?
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Monday, February 19, 2007 12:57 PM
FOF was slated to go right beside Italian Job in Oribiters current location. Speculation was that the new power run in for IJ was set to handle FOF as well.

With Coasters Diner going in beside Italian Job now, there might not be room in this location for SV. We'll have to wait for 2008 to see.

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Monday, February 19, 2007 1:30 PM
Upgraded food is certainly one of the items that was on PCW's "wish list".

SV, being a non-SLC invert (i.e., not sucky) AND a launch AND a shuttle (backwards travel) - fills LOTS of needs for PCW, ride-wise. The only possible downside to SV....capacity. As far as I'm concerned, in the entirety of CF/PP, PCW is the ONLY parks that was :*all set* as far as flatrides go.

No new ride for '07....sure, that will have some consequences for the attendance figures - my guess is that the new shows will negate MOST of that. They needed shows. Better restaurant options means people will stay longer, and spend more (on food at least - extra souvies also come into play with longer visits).

Also, I have to think that an invert, even a shuttle invert, would go over better than another sit-down...the lines for Top Gun prove that Canadians love inverts as much as Americans do...LOL! :)

*** Edited 2/19/2007 6:31:03 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Monday, February 19, 2007 1:51 PM
rollergator said:


SV, being a non-SLC invert (i.e., not sucky) AND a launch AND a shuttle (backwards travel) - fills LOTS of needs for PCW, ride-wise. The only possible downside to SV....capacity.

The Steel Venom at ValleyFair seems to move the people through rather quickly. I rarely see much of a line there. I would assume the rides are quite similar. Now granted the attendance at CW is much greater than VF.

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Monday, February 19, 2007 2:10 PM
Wicked Twister also pumps people through their lines very fast. Is their any room by mindbuster for SV.
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Monday, February 19, 2007 2:25 PM
It's not speculation that Steel Venom is leaving Geauga Lake. That's for real.

Regardless, one of the things that Cedar Fair people felt immediately in the Paramount Parks was that there weren't enough places to sit down and eat inside. And most of the parks lack table service almost entirely. That's leaving money on the table.

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Monday, February 19, 2007 2:41 PM
^^No room by Minebuster. SplashWorks surrounds the out and back portion, and the lift is right beside IJ.

However, if you look at this picture:

http://www.rcdb.com/ig2861.htm?picture=13

I always thought there was room between Sledgehammer and IJ for a nice B&M Floorless. You could easily run the lift up the centre piece of land there, and have tons of room on the grassy areas, over the water, and into the overflow parking area to run your elements. Then run the track back under the lift to the station back inside the park. Something like Hydra (medium sized coaster with good capacity) would be an enormous boost to Wonderland.

If SV ends up at Wonderland in '08, my bets are on this being the location. *** Edited 2/19/2007 7:41:55 PM UTC by PCWCoasterBoy***

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Monday, February 19, 2007 2:49 PM
^^^^ sws, the attendance figures for VF! and for PCW couldn't be any more different. Night and day...like installing a DV as your only new ride at a major park, kinda asking for LONG lines - not a good thing.

^^ Jeff, agree COMPLETELY. The food options at ALL the PPs were, ummm, mostly substandard. Not only is it leaving money on the table, it leaves an impression of something less than "hospitality". You simply MUST have some decent dining options available...cost of food isn't the MAIN issue for most guests...good food OPTIONS are important. Variety *and* quality.

HFEC proves that you don't have to be Disney or Busch to have good food available... ;)

*** Edited 2/19/2007 7:50:37 PM UTC by rollergator***

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Monday, February 19, 2007 3:06 PM
rollergator said:
^^^^ sws, the attendance figures for VF! and for PCW couldn't be any more different. Night and day...like installing a DV as your only new ride at a major park, kinda asking for LONG lines - not a good thing.

Gator, I completely agree that you cannot compare the attendance figures for the two parks, and I noted that in the post. I was just saying that I don't think the capacity is that bad. Figures for similar rides: SV at VF 950/hr, WT at CP 1210/hr. I don't think that is horrible. Obviously they can only use one train on a ride like this. Will there be long lines for a new ride - of course, especially if it is different from the existing rides.

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Monday, February 19, 2007 3:17 PM
The capacity could *theoretically* get as high as the figures you've posted. In practice, however, it rarely gets near there....just from my own experience, MANY guests like to sit down, get comfy, attach their seatbelt, THEN decide they need to remove their shoes and put them in the appropriate place. Then of course there's finding the right row/seat again, pulling down on the OTSR, re-securing the seatbelt, etc.

CP does better for a variety of reasons, IMO it's primarily due to more knowledgeable guests, but I doubt *any* of the other shuttles crack 800pph in actual throughput. DVs do about half of that...

edit: Just wanted to note, NOT trying to be argumentative. Just trying to consider all of the considerables when it comes to "where's SV going"....and what's coming in next for PCW... ;)

LOL, obviously a fan of NPR... :)

*** Edited 2/19/2007 8:20:22 PM UTC by rollergator***

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