"Company X designed Coaster X" myths

Friday, October 26, 2001 2:29 PM
I was wondering, other than Drachen Fire, are there any coasters that people claim are designed by one company, and built by another? Also, whats the truth behind all of these myths? I know that for Drachen Fire, B&M had no involvment at all. If you don't belive me, use the search here and look for "Drachen Fire B&M" and you'll eventually find the topic about it. I'm too lazy to search for it myself.

A second coaster off the top of my head is Big Bad Wolf. I heard that Schwarzkopf had poured some footers for his suspended coaster, but that fell through, and Arrow ended up putting in their coaster instead. I'm not 100% sure on that one's validity, maybe one of you are.

Third and final, Z-Force @ SFGAm, SFog, SFMM (aka Flashback). We all know this is the only Intamin Space Diver, which also is built with Intamin's B&M-like track. Who is the real designer? In the past couple weeks, I've seen 2 or 3 people claim B&M did it, but I find it hard to belive (no proof at all. And it's not like it's the only Intamin with B&M-like track, look at Batman: The Escape and Shockwave.)

Can anyone else think of any others, or verify Z-Force or Big Bad Wolf?

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Friday, October 26, 2001 2:40 PM
The Shockwave, or Z-Force, or whatever was made by Intamin...B&m used to be part of Intamin...so B&M's track looks like an Intamin track...because B&M started with this type of track at Iron Wolf.

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Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:20 AM
Yeah, I think another website said B&M designed Drachen Fire, but I remember an old Discovery Channel show which showed Toomer designing the ride...  RCDB also credits Toomer with the design...

 

-djansi

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Saturday, October 27, 2001 6:53 AM
Plus they have an actual note from B&M stating that they had no part in it. You can read it here. Let's put this rumor to death. On the otherhand, I can't seem to find some info on the Anton project, later named Arrow's Big Bad Wolf. I read something about it a long time ago, and I can't seem to find it.
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Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:48 AM
And for a design vs. build story that is in fact true...

The company that designed the P-Flyers at IOA went out of business. Sorry, I don't remember their name. Anyway, with the ride half finished, Setpoint came in and finished the job.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:00 AM
Dave...off the top of my head I think the company was Spectra FX.  Sound right?  I don't know.

Trbiggar - I'm 99% sure that the Schwarzkopf Suspended story is 100% true.  I recall reading it in several publiications, perhaps in interviews with Anton himself.  I believe I read it most recently in the First Drop that was devoted to Anton's work which was put out a year or 2 ago. 

The B&M - Drachen Fire thing was always just rumor, and it finally seems to have been debunked.

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Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:00 PM
Don't forget all the people that had a hand in SOB.  And there are law suits to prove it, though this wasn't a going out of business case.
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Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:05 PM
Maybe it should have been, Jim... :)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Who thinks Son of Beast has very few redeeming qualities...
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Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:26 PM
The Schwarzkopf Suspended story is 100% true.  Schwarzkopf had poured some footers, but then his company went bankrupt and the plans were turned over to Arrow to finish the project...
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Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:46 PM
Dave, I kinda agree with SOB - for now, anyway.  But I DO believe that with a little more retracking/banking at the top of hill two, some tree cover (which hopefully PKI is taking care of over the next few years), a few tunnels, and some new trains, it CAN still become the ride they'd hoped it would be...
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Monday, October 29, 2001 3:41 AM
Hold on, Drachen Fire had to have some type of envolvement with B&M. Just look at a picture of it The supports are B&M no doubt. Look at Arrow's normal supports and look at the ones on DF. Also Arrow has never done a Cobra Roll before then or a cutback.
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Monday, October 29, 2001 3:49 AM
B&M HAD NO INVOLVMENT IN DRACHEN FIRE!!! YES I AM YELLING, DON'T TELL ME NOT TO.

Get it through your head. DF and B&M are unrelated. Hell, someone even gave a link to a site with a letter from them on it saying they didn't have involvment! I never knew that supports told you what company built it. I thought track, trains, supports, and the lift hill sound told you who more than likely built it if you didn't know.

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Monday, October 29, 2001 4:24 AM
Since this forum has turned into a Drachen Fire frenzy I will give my input...no it was not designed by B&M...but was SUPPOSED to be done by them.  They had no part in the actual design, but were supposed to do something like it, something no one had ever seen before, but due to BGW need for a coaster immediately to compete with Anaconda at PKD they did not have the time to design, build, test, and open in time.  So Ron Toomer designed DF, maybe all too quickly, for we see what has happened to the majestic beast...but I do give Arrow credit...they did design a masterpice that will never be forgotten.

*New for 2002... Drachen Fire at the Great Escape...why not...they never get new coasters!*

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Monday, October 29, 2001 5:04 PM
Yeah that design would have been awesome if they ahd taken the time to doe the curves and transitions smoothly. it would have been amazing that design loosk incredible but I am told it;s downright brutal becaus eof roughness and was it;s unltimate downfall. RIP drachen fire.
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Monday, October 29, 2001 5:04 PM
Yeah that design would have been awesome if they ahd taken the time to doe the curves and transitions smoothly. it would have been amazing that design loosk incredible but I am told it;s downright brutal becaus eof roughness and was it;s unltimate downfall. RIP drachen fire.
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Monday, October 29, 2001 5:16 PM
But Trbiggar, isn't it strange that Arrow would use the same supports as B&M and never use them again? And they use the same coaster features as B&M coasters?

I still think they had something to do with it. If it was an Arrow coaster then how come coasters built by them immediatly after didn't feature the same supports? Why make them esp. for this coaster only then revert back to the ones they use previously. From what people say DF showed no problems its first year so wouldn't Arrow take that as a success and continue with those supports and coaster features. I mean why stop there and go back to just loops and corkscrews?

And Trey calm down man, no reason to yell, screaming will not further your point.

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Monday, October 29, 2001 5:27 PM

Jephry said:

I still think they had something to do with it.


And I think (know) you are thinking wrong.
I have a request for anyone else posting in this topic. Lets keep DF out of it from this point. Obviously this will end up being me and Jephry going back and forth, making this end up going no where. Pleae, I beg all of you, do NOT mention that awesome looking Arrow again.

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Monday, October 29, 2001 5:27 PM
On a coaster movie I saw in my science class it showed Toomer esigning DF.  He first made some scetches then he made a model out of wire and left the rest to his workers.  It also showed some construction footage and some cool videos of it actually running.
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