Coasting before and after B&M ( A Love Thread)
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Barry Short said:
"Only enthusiasts would complain about B&M coasters. What would you prefer to be riding Vekoma SLC's instead."
I agree with that statment. It kills me when they label their certain coasters forceless, but I thought the purpose of their coasters was for pure fun. I dont know...maybe thats just me.
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
All of my coaster shirts are of B&M Inverteds. What does that tell you? I'm a fan. People stare at my Alphie shirt because it has all the facts and says Worlds Tallest Fastest Inverted Coaster across the top, then has all the stats under it.
I'd like to see a B&M inverted designed from scratch like an out and back. Why? Because on Deuling Dragons, there is a negative G hill when Fire goes over Ice. You get airtime on this hill, and it's a little bunny hop. Imagine if they built an out and back like Magnum? The airtime would be insane.
Yeah, the ride elements on all B&M's start to seem the same as you travel from park to park. Not that it's bad, but I'd like to have some more drops like a regular coaster. Just like someone else said up above, the GP doesn't notice the rides being the same because they don't travel, but we notice.
And the length of these rides seem so short. I was on Montu and the dude next to me was saying "Awww. it's over" after the brakes. Yes, it's over very quickly. Even taking re-rides doesn't help.
I know I'm dreaming, and I know it would cost alot, but give us a B&M inverted with the track of Magnum, then have it finish like Raptor.
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Robin Fox - "I see Stars, Can You See Them Too?"
I'd like to see a B&M inverted designed from scratch like an out and back. Why? Because on Deuling Dragons, there is a negative G hill when Fire goes over Ice. You get airtime on this hill, and it's a little bunny hop. Imagine if they built an out and back like Magnum? The airtime would be insane.
Yeah, the ride elements on all B&M's start to seem the same as you travel from park to park. Not that it's bad, but I'd like to have some more drops like a regular coaster. Just like someone else said up above, the GP doesn't notice the rides being the same because they don't travel, but we notice.
And the length of these rides seem so short. I was on Montu and the dude next to me was saying "Awww. it's over" after the brakes. Yes, it's over very quickly. Even taking re-rides doesn't help.
I know I'm dreaming, and I know it would cost alot, but give us a B&M inverted with the track of Magnum, then have it finish like Raptor.
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Robin Fox - "I see Stars, Can You See Them Too?"
Again, it boils down to personal preference just like I stated in my post. Your reply makes my statement sound as if I became unglued and all out hateful towards B&M. Nothing could be further from the truth, particularly when considering that I stated right up front how much I like S:KC.
I never said that any B&M was forceless. Saying such a thing is an attempt to put words in my mouth. I do ride coasters for the sake of fun, not that its anyone's business why anyone else rides them though. Like most people, I have preferences, too. Obviously, you both have preferences because if you didn't, you wouldn't have so verbally disagreed with my statement.
*** This post was edited by Alex R. on 7/16/2001. ***
I never said that any B&M was forceless. Saying such a thing is an attempt to put words in my mouth. I do ride coasters for the sake of fun, not that its anyone's business why anyone else rides them though. Like most people, I have preferences, too. Obviously, you both have preferences because if you didn't, you wouldn't have so verbally disagreed with my statement.
*** This post was edited by Alex R. on 7/16/2001. ***
Barry Short said:
"What would you prefer to be riding Vekoma SLC's instead."
A friend of mine actually said he liked Mind Eraser @ SFA a *little bit* more than Batman:TR @ SFGAm. My dad also liked the roughness of T2 @ SFKK.
The world is made up of all kinds!
lata,
jeremy
--who would rather ride an Invertigo than Ice, Great Bear or Raptor
Alex R. said:
"I never said that any B&M was forceless.
Are you referring to my statement, if so, WHERE in my statement was I referring to your comments. It was a general statement, man.
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Dayuum, Your HOT!
*** This post was edited by Coasterr on 7/16/2001. *** *** This post was edited by Coasterr on 7/16/2001. ***
It sounded like your comment was directed at me. Was I wrong? If so, my apology, Coasterr. I read Barry's and then yours. Non-threads can sometimes be difficult to maneuver. Again, my apology.
4 across seating does NOT increase capacity when trains are only 8 or 9 cars long (32 or 36 riders) you get the same number of seats from Intamin. Block brakes should only be used to keep trains seperated, not slow the ride down.
As for pretty structure, I find the box section backbone of B&M rather crude looking in comparison to others tubular spine or Intamin's track. All steelies fall way down in looks compared to woodies anyway.
B&M makes some great rides but some threads sound like cult chants.
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Tremors, my 100th coaster.
Ghostrider, stopped counting laps at 100.
As for pretty structure, I find the box section backbone of B&M rather crude looking in comparison to others tubular spine or Intamin's track. All steelies fall way down in looks compared to woodies anyway.
B&M makes some great rides but some threads sound like cult chants.
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Tremors, my 100th coaster.
Ghostrider, stopped counting laps at 100.
It certainly isn't the only way to increase capacity, but it sure *feels* more effective to me. At least within a station house, it does *look* like its eating lines when 4 people from each row move in.
I hate to say it, but B&M's these days *are* indeed forceless. Now not TOTALLY forceless, but forceless when compared to their older rides. It's really too bad, because if they took some of their layouts they have today, and combined them with the mind-numbing intensity of some of their original coasters, that would be one hell of a ride. One explination is that maybe the public complained about the extreme g's found on their older rides, so now B&M have just had to tone it down quite a bit, and concentrate more on fun rides, as opposed to intense.
-Raven_Rider
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"Hold on tight, with all your might, and enjoy your flight on the Raven!"
-Raven_Rider
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"Hold on tight, with all your might, and enjoy your flight on the Raven!"
All their layouts are similar.Vertical loop, cobra roll, flatspin, yawn. They do get boring after a while.
steelforceaddict:I haven't been on Talon, but let me tell you, if you rode Nitro, Apollo's Chariot or Raging Bull, or any other B&M, you would have a different opinion.
Raven_Rider:The 3 hypers are an example of new B&M, and I'd say that they're better than ever, just my opinion of coure:)
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"Thank you for challenging the Raging Bull. We hope you enjoy the rest of you're day, here at Six Flags Great America"
Raven_Rider:The 3 hypers are an example of new B&M, and I'd say that they're better than ever, just my opinion of coure:)
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"Thank you for challenging the Raging Bull. We hope you enjoy the rest of you're day, here at Six Flags Great America"
I don't see how B&M's don't have higher capacities than anything else. The four acrossed DOES help... A B&M with 8 rows of 4 has a train cap of 32, an Intamin with 2x12= 24. 12 rows causes quite a crowd in the station. Half the crowd X half the load time = half the wait. Personally, i'd rather walk in line for a B&M than stand in line for an Intamin.
Mabye my figuring of the capacity makes apsoltuly no sence, but, for example look at the wait for Nitro compared to a S:ROS. And, remember, were enthusiast, we want either the front or the back, and figuring B&M's seat four instead of two in each row, that wait is split in half...
But, enough about capacities, when I ride coasters(as I may have said before), I look for a fun ride rather than somthing to brag about. In my opinion somthing like Millenium Force is an experience not a past time...
Mabye my figuring of the capacity makes apsoltuly no sence, but, for example look at the wait for Nitro compared to a S:ROS. And, remember, were enthusiast, we want either the front or the back, and figuring B&M's seat four instead of two in each row, that wait is split in half...
But, enough about capacities, when I ride coasters(as I may have said before), I look for a fun ride rather than somthing to brag about. In my opinion somthing like Millenium Force is an experience not a past time...
I think that B&M using tried and trued methods, they need to be a little more risky in some of their new rides, the comp.'s that are being risky are the ones that will survive.
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"Villain-Once You Drop, The Fun Don't Stop!"~SFWoA Rules In 2001~X Marks The Spot In 2001(SFWoA)~With SFWoA ANYTHING Is Possible!
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"Villain-Once You Drop, The Fun Don't Stop!"~SFWoA Rules In 2001~X Marks The Spot In 2001(SFWoA)~With SFWoA ANYTHING Is Possible!
kingbob said:
"I don't see how B&M's don't have higher capacities than anything else. The four acrossed DOES help... A B&M with 8 rows of 4 has a train cap of 32, an Intamin with 2x12= 24. 12 rows causes quite a crowd in the station."
Okay, what you said would be true if those numbers were right. However, (for example) S:ROS @ SFA has 8 cars of two X two rows or 2x16= 32, which is equal to your 8 row B&M.
And as for the 'enthusiast' queuing rant, 1) What's the difference between the two rows in each car? Since there is the 'tiered' seating 1.2 is every bit as good as 1.1 (similarly for 8.1 and 8.2). 2) Most 'enthusiasts' dont like to sit in the middle two seats anyway!
On a completely unrelated note to RBGuy:
I've been on one of the B&M hypers, and compared to the first few B&Ms, the intensity is not there. I mean c'mon, just compare the snap turns at the end of Raging Bull to the snap turn in the 2nd half of Iron Wolf. Sure you take them in different positions, but there is a definite intensity difference. Raging Bull has more of a 'Pillowy' feel to it.
Not that that maters to me much. Raging Bull is still my favorite steel coaster. But compared to the balls to the wall ferocity of Iron Wolf, B:TR and Kumba, you could call it forceless.
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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01
RagingBullGuy, as 2Hostyl said, B&M hypers have no intensity. They actually feel as if you're riding on air, they're just TOO smooth and unintense. That's why I prefer Intamin, they have more innovative designs, plus, you can actually *feel* the ride.
-Raven_Rider
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"Hold on tight, with all your might, and enjoy your flight on the Raven!"
-Raven_Rider
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"Hold on tight, with all your might, and enjoy your flight on the Raven!"
boblogone said:
"As for pretty structure, I find the box section backbone of B&M rather crude looking in comparison to others tubular spine or Intamin's track. "
You know what it is about the look of a B&M structure that I like the most - the supports. They have such simple sleek looking supports. The really allow you to see the actual track and not so much of the supports like on some of the other steel manufacturer's coasters. Matter of personal preference.
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B&M makes good rides, and many clones. While I don't like clones for the enthusiast's sake, I understand why they wouldn't come up with a completely new design for each park, when there is already a design that works. However, all of their coasters that I have been on I love. Inverts in the front are absolutely amazing (especially Top Gun). I love this company, but I think the Batman thing has to stop ;)
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