CoasterBuzz Podcast #58 posted

Posted Monday, January 1, 2007 5:19 PM | Contributed by Jeff

Jeff, Richard and Pat review this week's news in the amusement industry.

  • We finally welcome Richard Bannister to the show from Dublin.
  • Richard shows us how it's done squeezing in a park visit on a layover.
  • Dick Kinzel is staying on as CEO of Cedar Fair. Is it a good, bad or neutral thing for the company.
  • Universal offers healthier food, following Disney's lead, but Jeff thinks they already had a lot of better choices. Richard says American portions are comparatively large.
  • Cedar Fair lays out capital expenditures for the year, and appears to be leaving the Paramount Parks as is.
  • The group discusses the ups and down of Mitch Hawker's poll.
  • Report card for the Six Flags new regime in their first year: Still too early to call.
  • Is the Six Flags New Orleans abandonment immoral or just the right business decision?
  • The CoasterBuzz Podcast is now listed on Digg. Digg and listen here!
  • CoasterBuzz makeover is forthcoming, and an early version of the new forum will be available for testing soon.
  • Lots of CoasterBuzz Club events are coming in 2007, including the Fall Affair at Holiday World, Saturday, September 29.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 8:05 PM
The problem I see with Cedar Point is that it's not advertised enough around the country. They aren't going to get out of towners if they don't do this. People over here have no idea what Cedar Point is (believe it or not). They need some more advertising over the world to get people there. It can't be as big as of a destination park if no one knows it exists.

Also, there are only two parks, and one being a waterpark. I don't see how it's going to become the next Disney World. Look at Universal Studios. That's way off too, and that's right by it. I think a lot of people have heard about Universal. Also, remember that one park over there isn't a waterpark.

I believe that resort calibear equals multiple attractions, and not just a theme, and a water park. I don't see Cedar Point as a resort destination like Cedar Point. If they would add another park, then it could be. The more parks, the more people, and the more out of towners.

For the coaster poll, why is it skewed if you don't like a roller coaster. I don't like Goliath at SFMM, or Raging Bull and thus it would bring those down. Raging Bull is a complete bore to me. It might not be the worst coaster, but I know a lot of people that love it. I absolutely don't. I haven't voted in this poll, but it just depends on what you like, and what you don't.

My favorite ride is Deja Vu, and for some enthusiasts in line, they said that's it. They acted like they didn't like it at all. I didn't think that Millenium Force is good at all. It's Raging Bull a 100 feet higher. What's the difference? I don't see it. Revenge of the Mummy is 31??? That was boring. How is Deja Vu that low? There is no way in my mind it should be. It's 177 for SFGAm. Are you kidding me? It's different opinions. I've been on one of the top 3, and it stunk (in my opinion).

So, I don't see how it's skewed if it gets a bad rating. Maybe, they just didn't like it. We all have different opinions. I bet there is a grouping that rates every Cedar Point coaster above any other just because it's Cedar Point, and Universal, and so on.

My top 5 steel are completely different:

Deja Vu, Batman The Ride, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, Mr. Freeze, Top Thrill Dragster

^How many of them are in the top 50?*** This post was edited by Ilovthevu' 1/1/2007 8:30:41 PM ***

Monday, January 1, 2007 8:36 PM
Amen.... Thank you jeff... I have been saying the board needed a change for awhile now. I 100% agree with you about the whole CEO thing.
Monday, January 1, 2007 8:38 PM
Honestly, I think just as many people if not more have heard about Cedar Point or actually been there. Anytime someone finds out I like roller coasters, they ask about Cedar Point, either because they saw it on TV or have been there and want to know what I think of it. If Florida comes up in conversation, it's hit or miss if Universal will be mentioned. Busch Gardens comes up more often. All those appearances on roller coastter and travel shows have done wonders for the park I think.
Monday, January 1, 2007 8:47 PM
Going to the subject of the park being well rounded: upper managment has said many times that Geauga Lake will complement Cedar Point, I feel like that they are not really following through with that plan. The plan can be knoticed here or there, i think the most knoticeable one is the removal of rides at Geauga Lake to downsize their ride status and incress their waterpark.

They also had that one Cedar Point Season Pass Day at Geauga Lake... which I thought was sucessful. Maybe they could sell like a 2 day pass for Cedar Point and Geauga Lake....

Was that not the reason they bought Geauga Lake? So why not market them together?

*** This post was edited by Mutedarkness 1/1/2007 9:02:40 PM ***

Monday, January 1, 2007 8:49 PM
Pat Walters or anyone else, can you please tell me how your found out about SFNO attendance numbers? I want to know this stuff. Are there more attendance numbers for other parks somewhere? What 2006 attendance numbers? I got the top 25 from 2005, but I would like to know as many as possible. It's interesting.


Monday, January 1, 2007 11:49 PM
A great place to look for that info is company financial reports. It often gets mentioned in some capacity alongside dollar amounts.

And please, call me Gonch. :)

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 12:54 AM
^"And please, call me Gonch."

"I laughed, I cried, I think I pulled a muscle".... :)

signed...gator ;)

Tuesday, January 2, 2007 1:43 AM
I'm so much fun it hurts. :)
Tuesday, January 2, 2007 9:32 AM
HaHa Gonch.
Tuesday, January 2, 2007 1:29 PM
I don't know who was wondering this, but it says in SF financials that 28% of all attendance comes from season pass holders. That might, or might not help. In the conference, I have heard that the average season pass holder goes 3-4 times a year. So, 28% of all attendance / 4 would give you a rough estimate of the season passes they sell.
Tuesday, January 2, 2007 1:54 PM
Ahhh...very good. :)

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