Coaster Battle? Going too Far?

Tuesday, July 9, 2002 7:47 PM
Think about it, will their ever be a limit as to what a park can build? Cedar Point and Six Flags Magic Moutnain are constantly competing for the most coasters. Don't get me wrong, this is my favorite battle of all time, but both of the parks have coasters, I'll just say it, that need to to be demolished! Rough coasters, slow coasters, no fun coasters, is just the beginning! Also, I hope their never will be, but will their ever be a height limit? Magic Mountain's supposely coaster, is over 400 ft. tall! Just dream about it, pulling up to Cedar Point and seeing a 650 ft. tall coaster! It may look fun, but will it be?
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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 7:50 PM
Well cedar point is battling for its own long standing record, while SFMM is sorta battlin for the record, but moreso towards the tough southern california theme park competiton.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 7:58 PM

Burks, some of the slow no fun coasters you are referring to have history into the park.

Also, some of these coasters are enjoyable to others. Just because you don't enjoy them does not mean that some 10 year old who is scared ****less of riding MF doesnt enjoy some of the "slower no fun" coasters.

I think there will be a point where there will have to be a height limit. I mean you cant just go 700 plus feet in the air. I say we will be lucky to ever see anything go over 600 feet tops.

I mean us enthusiasts will ride anything. The GP will only go so far before they start asking questions about being safe. Also, the rides can only go so far before they start to have problems consistantly.

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*** This post was edited by CPThrills on 7/9/2002. ***

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 8:16 PM

There is no battle other than in the minds of enthusiasts. Two parks seperated by thousands of miles do not compete.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 8:24 PM
Very true Jeff, but it doesnt help when the higher ups at CP state in the media that they dont consider S:TE a coaster when asked about SFMM's claim of having 15 coasters.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 8:44 PM
I like parks competing or just getting more coasters to improve the park, but being so far apart (SFMM and CP) it really doesnt matter. As far as these "no fun" coasters, I dont think you demolish them, unless you have got serious problems with them all the time. I like riding the old slow historic rides.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 8:57 PM
I just don't buy the statement that CP & SFMM aren't trying to compete with each other! If they're not in competition, then why all the petty bickering from CP that STE isn't a coaster? If they're not in competition, then why did SFMM build THREE new coasters in a single season, just so they could break the record for a few measly months, until WT opened, making it a TIE again? Just because these two parks are seperated by thousands of miles doesn't mean that they can't or won't try to compete with each other. All amusement parks are in constant competition with all other amusement parks. If they weren't, then we wouldn't be experiencing the greatest coaster wars ever known since the golden age back in the 20's! CP & SFMM are most definitely competing with each other, and now that they're tied for the record, their competition will only be escalating to even more astronomical levels, just you wait and see. The very idea that the distance between these two has anything to do with whether or not they can or will be competing with each other is absolutely ludicrous. And just what do you think will happen if some other park in the world suddenly has 16 coasters while CP & SFMM stay tied with 15? Do you really think that CP & SFMM would simply say something like "Gee, too bad that other park with 16 coasters is on the other side of the planet, otherwise we could try to be in competition with them"? Not hardly! CP &SFMM would both be going bankrupt trying to be the first park in the world with 17 coasters! So, until one or the other of these two parks is so far ahead of the other that the lagging park could never possibly catch up and surpass the leading park, these two will most certainly be in extremely heated competition with each other, and anyone who doesn't believe that can simply continue to wonder why they both keep trying to outdo each other!
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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 9:12 PM
I tend to agree. While they are not in competition for park goers or vacationers, they are in competition for bragging rights. If this was not true there would not be this constant one upsmanship of each other.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 9:22 PM
Cedar Point is not in competition with Six Flags Magic Mountain -TM-

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 9:28 PM
Obviously they are not in competion in the form of money or admissions etc. But you cannot look me straight in the face and tell me that each park does not compete for bragging rights of having the most coasters on the planet. If this was not true then the park's would not advertise it.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 10:12 PM
I agree with you completely Magnum. They do want the most coasters in the planet simpliy for advertising! ( and to please us guests ) :)

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Tuesday, July 9, 2002 11:15 PM

I disagree completely, the two parks are not competing in any way. Cedar Point may want bragging rights, but that has nothing to do with Magic Mountain, and visa versa. Parks compete with neighboring parks for the bottom line, money. They also build thrillrides for fans to enjoy.

Cedar Point was "asked" whether they thought S:TE was a coaster or not by a member of the media and they answered honestly, they didn't seek out to discredit anyone.

What people STILL seem to miss is that rollercoasters are planned and developed YEARS ahead of time. There's just no way to predict what another park might be doing during that same period of time. Cedar Point doesn't go, "oh my GOD, SFMM just added another coaster, get Intamin on the phone NOW"! How stupid is that?

Both parks have discovered that rollercoasters and thrillrides are still the number 1 thing that bring young people back to the park, and they aren't the only ones. Bragging rights don't mean squat if the park in question isn't profitting from it.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:16 AM
There are 2 types of competition that you can consider when comparing 2 parks 1)Competition for attendance. We know this isn't true since the parks are located thousands of miles away. 2)Competition for bragging rights. This is the only competition i see. Each park wants to hold the record for most coasters, or tallest, or whatever. The only "real" competition that parks face is with other parks in the area. But you also have to realize, that parks located within a close proximity are both similar and different at the same time. Each park may have some rides which are the same, but most have rides/coasters that the other park does not, therefore creating a deman for guests to attend their park. Right now, CP competes with all the other Ohio parks. But if you look at all those parks as a whole, the variety of coasters is tremendous, nothing really similar, each park has its own unique rides. Same with SFMM and Knotts, 2 parks with totally different rides.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:35 AM

Outkast gets at what I'm saying here... sure, they want bragging rights, but that's where it ends. They could care less that someone else has more coasters from a competition standpoint. They just want to market to the locals that they have the tallest/fastest/bluest/well lit ride.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:05 AM

I don't think height limit is going to be an issue. Cost of an attraction or the ability to place it in a park might keep parks from going taller but it won't be the limitations on a rider.

Those of us who remember life pre-Magnum didn't think 200 feet was coming, let alone 300 feet in the case of MF. Then you have the Stratosphere looking at an attraction 700+ feet tall.

What shouldn't get lost is that there are great rides out there that don't even approach 200 feet. CCI has built some great rides in the past and I think parks should start considering quality instead of quantity or size.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:41 AM
now Jeff, I don't recall anyone claiming the "bluest" ride...;)....MF has more color left, but I think the inability to ride Flashback made me kinda "blue"....
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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:22 AM
On the topic with teh coasters going so high. I can't imagine how freaked out people would get if there was a problem and they were stopped at the top of the lift. Then imagine the poor ride op or 2 that would possibly have to walk up there. Or even matience every morning. Then the brakes that would have to stop soemthin possible going 150mph. I mean that would take a lot of power.
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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:36 AM

The Coaster Wars will never end. Even if a height limit is set they will go for most inversions,Most Hills, Fastest, Longest,etc. Their will always be a battle being fought in the coaster Wars.

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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:43 AM
I'd really rather they battle over who can treat their customers the best.....
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Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:46 AM

I live in LA. I just got back from my SRM trip where I visited Cedar Point. Without fail, every time someone asks me what parks I visited and I mention CP they ask "Where's that?"

*WE* know where all the parks are. Those who are not coaster enthusiasts do not -and frankly DON'T CARE!

Jeff's 100% correct - SFMM and CP are not competitors.

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