Cedar Point versus Magic Mountain coaster race debate over

Posted Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:06 PM | Contributed by Jeff

Sadly, it’s official. California’s Six Flags Magic Mountain is no longer the “roller coaster capital of the world” — surrendering the title to Ohio’s Cedar Point theme park. With the dismantling of Magic Mountain’s Flashback now underway and the addition of Cedar Point’s Maverick in 2007, the world record for most roller coasters at a single amusement park officially moves from Valencia, Calif., to Sandusky, Ohio. The score: Cedar Point 17, Magic Mountain (and Canada's Wonderland) 15.

Read more from The LA Times.

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:07 PM
Ordinarily I wouldn't post a puff piece like this, but Duane's quote in there is pretty hilarious.
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:21 PM
No doubt that was seriously harsh. I think there are a bunch of people in the Six Flags organization who are hiding under their desks hoping it will all blow over and people will forget--like tomorrow.
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:41 PM
Slow news day I guess.

What the article didn't mention is how the views on SFMM are suddenly getting better. Older rides are seeing new paint and new additions are to the park don't have anything to do with coasters (Thomas Town). Having the most coasters was nothing but bad news for SFMM, they weren't able to handle it.

CP just does a better job at having the most roller coasters without letting everything else go to hell in the park.

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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:45 PM
Not sure about you, but I always considered CP to be the record holder anyways. Now I have never been to SFMM, but from what I hear, alot of the coaster there are very often SBNO. I know Flashback, Superman, Deja Vu, X and Psyclone have all had extended time of being SBNO. I have been to CP at least 5 or 6 times, and in all my visits, just about every coaster is operational. CP did have some issues with Dragster, but from what I understand, those have been fixed.

I go with the number of operating coasters in the park instead of just total number of coasters. If it were just number, what would stop some small park from putting up 20 old and beaten arrow corckscrews and such and just not opening them??

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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:46 PM
That is brand new information!
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:20 PM
Superman is a roller coaster? ;)

*puts opened can of worms back on shelf*

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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:04 PM
Cedar Point is a "theme park"?
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:11 PM
Duane's comments beat me to the punch...my one and only trip across the country to MM was greeted with an unbelievable number of SBNO rides. X was running and I think the capacity was ~1500 riders per hour (not sure). I checked my watch and did some quick calculations based on the lazy train operators loading and unloading...figured it was really about 300/hr. Sadly, the park was a complete disappointment.
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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:27 PM
I can't remember who said it, but one of the ride operations managers happily stated that Cedar Point was proud of their 95% uptime. of course, that was back before Dragster, but even that has been doing better. I also thought they did a wonderful job getting Maverick open so quickly.

Thats the great thing about Cedar Fair, they do their best to keep their rides up. They did great work with Geauga Lake as well, minus a couple older attractions. When Six Flags ran Geauga, it was always hit or miss on rides operating. Cedar Fair and Bill Sphen did a great job with operations at Geauga.

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Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:43 PM
SK610 said:

that Flashback, Superman, Deja Vu, X and Psyclone have all had extended time of being SBNO.

Flashback is quite easy why that ride is down. Besides the complaint about the waterpark, the ride needs new trains or it can't operate. They didn't get the new trains, and it didn't operate for how long? Superman is been giving them problems for awhile. It's just the technology. Mr. Freeze has had problems, Joker's Jinx probably has problems. I know V2 has had problems. Yes, they aren't all Intamin, but they are all of the new type of technology. Because of new technology, rides have problems.

They only run one side of Superman, and I imagine that when it's down, it's most likely down because they need a part, or they need to refurbish that ride. I imagine that they don't even deal with the other side whatsoever. They probably have given up on that side. It's a problematic ride. I wonder if they even have the other sides train. Didn't that ride have a fire? Maybe, the other train was damaged, and they don't ever use that train. Maybe, they are down to one train just like Deja Vu.

Besides Deja Vu having regular problems, Deja Vu is only one train. The park isn't closed like every other park in the chain. It's open all year. How do you expect to refurbish at least Deja Vu's train without closing the ride down?

Psyclone was just a bad ride to begin with, and I imagine that they were always retracking that ride because it was just horrible, and people were having neck problems, and all that stuff.

X is quite simple why in the heck the ride isn't doing that great. The reason is because it's the first, and the first usually has the most problems. Disko' at Cypress Gardens was the first, and it never seems to be open!

What problems does CP encounter? I imagine now they are going to have problems with Maverick, and they probably still have problems with Top Thrill Dragster. Someone also said that Max Air is down a lot, and maybe Sky Hawk is down quite a bit. I don't know. Whenever, I'm at the park Disaster Transport seems to broke down.

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Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:00 AM
Interesting that MM is saying they're going to reclaim the title again soon.
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:49 AM
And I thought my reply said to much. There's reasons why Jeff said, "Ordinarily I wouldn't post a puff piece like this-."
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:09 AM
I've been to Magic Mountain three times and have still not managed to ride Superman...
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:12 AM
^^About a year ago.
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:24 AM
I went to SFMM on Jan 3rd (first MM trip ever), and every coaster was running except "X" (which I knew about ahead of time) and Viper (paint job). Workers were still in the process of cutting Flashback up on that day, and I would guess about 50% of the track still remained in tact. I assume it's probably completely dismantled at this point.

I might get my enthusiast credentials revoked for even saying this, but I actually had a great time at MM. I think the lack of crowds had a lot to do with it, but that's why I picked that week for my SoCal coaster trip! :)

PS - Tatsu is amazing...

Jerry

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Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:35 AM
Quality will always reign supreme over quantity. I don't care who has the most coasters, what special prize do you get? Over developing parks with more roller coasters really hurt Six Flags. What good is it to say park X has one of the largest collection of coasters, but several are broken down when you make a visit?
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:52 AM
Though MM is not one of my favorite parks. Mostly because of the hills, I consider myself to be pretty lucky to have ridden every coaster there (other than Flashback) in only 2 trips. There were multiple coasters down on both of my visits. They just happened to be different coasters.
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:51 AM
Actually it was Monty Jasper, then VP of maintenance and construction at CP, now corporate VP of safety and maintenance, who quoted the up time to us, ironically enough on a Dragster construction tour. I think he said it was like 96% or higher. If only he knew the hell he'd have to endure later that year.
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Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:59 AM
I agree with JKPark as to quality vs quantity. I do still think that CP has better quality coasters than SFMM. Now in second place with SFMM vs Canada's Wonderland, SFMM has much more quality than CW. Most of the coasters at CW are the cheap models like the vekoma SLC and the zamperla flying coaster and such.

I'm not trying to make this into CP vs SFMM, but I still think that the overall quality at CP is better than that at SFMM. Plus, the real interesting rides at SFMM just don't seem to run all that well like X and Deja Vu

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