Cedar Point Trip 7/1/07

You think Millennium Force is too short, but you think Top Thrill Dragster is perfect? That's just a little ironic. :)

I think it's only human nature that, when confronted with as amazing experience as Millenium Force or _____________ (fill in the blank) provided, a person wants more of it. I also think there are coasters that are genuinely shorter than they should be. Some of the coasters at Hersheypark come to mind, as do Phantom's Revenge (just a couple speed hills, I'm begging!)

As far as Cedar Point's design of MF, obviously they could have found a way to build it longer, both in terms of the ride footprint and designating funds for the added expense. But given that MF was record-breaking when it was built, do you think they could have gotten any more possible return on investment if they had added a thousand feet to the length?

^The answer would be a solid "no." Come on, according to RCDB, MF was $25-million dollars. And you have to assume that pricetag doesn't include any of the marketing they did for it.

Where I will solidly disagree with RCDB is the time listed at 2:45. According to my stopwatch, you can subtract about a minute off of that total. Just think to yourself "93 mph and it's still clocking in at 1:45 from station to brakes/unloading station." That's one long ride, even it doesn't feel like it.

If you're looking for all the extra hills and what not that are missing on some of your favorite coasters, there's only solution--Head to SFNE and ride S:ROS over and over again:)

Where I will solidly agree with everyone is that Mean Streak needs to be bulldozed as soon as humunanly possible. Even if to only expand Lighthouse Point, it would be a much better use of the space.

I'm sorry I got into this discussion so late, but there is absolutely no way the trims on Mean Streak brought the train to a complete stop. Also,

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Pagoda Gift Shop said:
If you sit in the front of the train, they might feel like they almost stop you since you are traveling more slowly than the rear of the train when you hit them.

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So when the trims bite the back of the train is moving faster than the front of the train? Seems to me like if that was the case, the back cars would overtake the front ones. Bottom line: each and every part of train moves the same speed as other parts at all times.

Ok, I just read some of the comments on Mean Streak, and my experience with the train coming to a stop in the trims going down the first hill.

I remember that day very well, and, I remember being thrown into the restraints going down the first drop as if it were yesterday, because it scared the hell out of me. If I had my hands in the air, my face might have hit the hand grips in front of me. It was that violent.

I have never been on any other coaster where this happened. If the train was not coming to a stop, it seems to me that my body would not have lurched forward like it did. I can only explain it as being in a fast moving car that suddenly has to step on the brakes to stop at a red light.

So, you tell me, when was the last time you were on any other wooden coaster, and your body suddenly lurched forward while going down a rollercoaster hill after just leaving the lift? If the train didn't stop, it certainly slowed pretty damn fast to cause such a violent jerk. That just doesn't seem safe to me.

Well, it really doesn't matter, I am going to think Mean Streak is total crap no matter what anyone says. And, the only reason I re-post is because I hope the ride gets the same re-tracking with Steel that Texas Giant is getting. Might make it a better ride. We will have to wait and see.

I was going to offer a response, but have decided to hold it until 2013. Stay tuned...

Hehehehehehe...

Quick! Shoot it in the head!

dexter said:
Fandango at Knoebles (which is not a Huss frisbee but simmilar) is a much smaller, yet much better ride than the giant frisbees at KI and CP, imho. The Giant Frisbees make me feel sick.

Fandango kicks serious butt. :) The Giant Frisbees make me feel kinda queasy as well.

Intamin Fan said:
^The answer would be a solid "no." Come on, according to RCDB, MF If you're looking for all the extra hills and what not that are missing on some of your favorite coasters, there's only solution--Head to SFNE and ride S:ROS over and over again

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Is S:ROS really THAT good? Er, let me rephrase: Is S:ROS STILL THAT good even with the new trains/seating?

bunky666 said:

Intamin Fan said:
^The answer would be a solid "no." Come on, according to RCDB, MF If you're looking for all the extra hills and what not that are missing on some of your favorite coasters, there's only solution--Head to SFNE and ride S:ROS over and over again .

Is S:ROS really THAT good? Er, let me rephrase: Is S:ROS STILL THAT good even with the new trains/seating?

I will take Goliath at SFMM over MF any day! :)

The midcourse/trim brake on The Beast gets you pretty well on the 2nd turn. Anyone who has ridden the ride before knows to brace on the headrest in front of you, it hits the mid train pretty hard and fast. Also what about the midcourse brake on FOF? You literally DO stop and creep forward slowly. However, it does pick up speed quickly and the rest of the ride is the best part to me.

As for MS, I am shocked it makes the 1st hill cause the trims hit so hard. I would take ANY woodie over it...Terminator Salvation would be my 1st choice! :)

Jo
Lifetime Raptor flights: 2010 :)

halltd said:
You think Millennium Force is too short, but you think Top Thrill Dragster is perfect? That's just a little ironic.

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Actually, no. I don't think Top Thrill Dragster is perfect. It's certainly and awsome ride, as is Millennium Force. I also think Dragster would be even better if it were longer. After the coaster reaches the bottom of the drop, have it go up a hill and invert like the second hill on the force, and dive down around the 420 foot structure, and then follow with a long speedbump into the brakes like on K.K. at six flags. But, that's just my opinion.

Also, if it were perfect as it is, I would expect it to be running all the time. I think out of the years It has been there, it has only been open once out of five times that I have been there. It's usually broken down, or closed.

Timber-Rider said:

halltd said:
You think Millennium Force is too short, but you think Top Thrill Dragster is perfect? That's just a little ironic.

Actually, no. I don't think Top Thrill Dragster is perfect. It's certainly and awsome ride, as is Millennium Force. I also think Dragster would be even better if it were longer. After the coaster reaches the bottom of the drop, have it go up a hill and invert like the second hill on the force, and dive down around the 420 foot structure, and then follow with a long speedbump into the brakes like on K.K. at six flags. But, that's just my opinion.

KK is just as boring to me as TTD-that 2nd hill is a joke since you're already breaking anyway. Plus the OTST ruins the ride for me.

Now...if you want the thril of TTD and the substance then I highly recommend Xcelerator at Knotts. I LOVED this ride way more than TTD. Not as high or fast but the substance makes up for all that!! :)

Jo
Lifetime Raptor flights: 2010 :)

LuvRaptor,

That is of course when shards of metal aren't hitting you in the face, right? :)

I don't know if anyone remembers the Discovery Channel documentary about Cedar Point from a few years ago, but they did a pretty extensive profile on Millennium Force, and one of the ride ops said that the ride last 60 seconds from the top of the lift to the brakes. He then pointed to the computer screen that recorded the previous run, and the time was displayed as 59.## seconds. And if I remember my stats correctly, the lift takes 22 seconds. Based on that, I believe the Force is about a 1:30 ride on average.