Cedar Point bias
I finally went to CP for the first time last week and enjoyed the park. However, after riding the coasters I must say that there seems to be a bias towards CP in most of these best lists. How is it that Magnum is still usually voted the best steel coaster. Better steel coasters have been built esp. in the last two years(Apollo's Chariot, Hulk, Raging Bull) but since it is at CP it gets more respect than it desrves. Same thing for Raptor and Mantis. I know CP has more coasters but they only really have 4 world class coasters. BGW only has 5 coasters but 4 of them are considered by most people to be world class coasters. Alot of the same people who think CP is so great say well BGW would be great if it had a couple of woodies and another steel. Well where are the great woodies at CP. They do not have any so does that make them a lesser park. I loved CP but I am tired of the pro CP bias.
I haven't been on MF yet. But Raptor, Mantis, and Magnum were pretty good rides. The rest were just normal nothing special. CP is a good park, but I think it gets a little TOO much praise. No park is perfect. I had way more fun at BGT then I did at CP. Mostly because there were waits less than 1 hour on most of the rides.
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Goliath: The most intense Hyper in the world.
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Goliath: The most intense Hyper in the world.
First off, this is yet another incorrect use of the word "bias." We all have bias for one thing or another. If you disagree with people who love the park, that's fine, but the only thing I'm tired of is the holy wars that are brought up over it.
As we've generally pointed out lately, bigger/steeper/faster doesn't always mean better. I personally like Apollo better than Magnum as well, but the fact is that Magnum has a reputation among enthusiasts. You can't build that in one season. Magnum has classic status because it's been around for 11 years.
Regarding the polls, they aren't all taken by people from Ohio and Michigan, so clearly the park's reputation is a national phenomenon. The only parks that I've been to that offer at least three gotta-ride-again coasters are BGW and SFGAm. At Cedar Point I can ride Raptor, Magnum and Millennium Force all day, and still have additional fun on the classic Gemini, Blue Streak, Wildcat and even Corkscrew.
Does park placement matter? Perhaps to some degree. Even if Cedar Point was a poorly run park, it has a location that no other park has. When you get out to that peninsula, the rest of the world doesn't exist. You can't see the interstate or a large metro area; It's just you, the park, the lake and the bay.
You've also got the history to factor in there. Many point fanatics have had the park as a part of their life since birth. How many parks can you go to where guests have been going there for 30 years or more (yes, I know there are some, but you get the idea).
Are there better parks out there? I don't know, I haven't been to enough of them. I would certainly place BGW up there as one of the best, but it offers a completely different experience, just as a Disney or Universal park offers something different from a Busch park.
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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
As we've generally pointed out lately, bigger/steeper/faster doesn't always mean better. I personally like Apollo better than Magnum as well, but the fact is that Magnum has a reputation among enthusiasts. You can't build that in one season. Magnum has classic status because it's been around for 11 years.
Regarding the polls, they aren't all taken by people from Ohio and Michigan, so clearly the park's reputation is a national phenomenon. The only parks that I've been to that offer at least three gotta-ride-again coasters are BGW and SFGAm. At Cedar Point I can ride Raptor, Magnum and Millennium Force all day, and still have additional fun on the classic Gemini, Blue Streak, Wildcat and even Corkscrew.
Does park placement matter? Perhaps to some degree. Even if Cedar Point was a poorly run park, it has a location that no other park has. When you get out to that peninsula, the rest of the world doesn't exist. You can't see the interstate or a large metro area; It's just you, the park, the lake and the bay.
You've also got the history to factor in there. Many point fanatics have had the park as a part of their life since birth. How many parks can you go to where guests have been going there for 30 years or more (yes, I know there are some, but you get the idea).
Are there better parks out there? I don't know, I haven't been to enough of them. I would certainly place BGW up there as one of the best, but it offers a completely different experience, just as a Disney or Universal park offers something different from a Busch park.
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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
Yeah, it offers the experience of a bad park. It has lots of rides, but they are all packed in so tightly, it's really unenjoyable. Not to mention all the areas where the train crosses paths... it pisses me off to hafta wait. Also, the queue lines just plain suck. If it wasn't for the sheer amount of rides, very few people would like it.
Everdred, what are you complaining about. To my understanding CP is not a theming type park, so Im kinda confused by your statement when you say their queue line sucks. Also, CP has a reputation of having long lines and if you dont like waiting why did you go to CP in the first place?..To Superbatboy, the same thing applies to MagicMountain (and any other huge amusement park), it has a few good rides and the rest are boring, IMO.
You are all crazy, very, very crazy. Frankly, I am tired of hearing it. Many of you people haven't been to Cedar Point and build a my park is better than your park attitude which really bites. I can't see how someone can be jealous OF AN AMUSEMENT PARK. That is crazy. Is this turning into a sport where we make rivals? I sure hope not, but some of you people seem like that is cool. I will not talk about any kind of Cedar Point ride. I will say out of the parks I have been too, NONE have come close in ATMOSPHERE. Food, cleanliness, and friendliness. I respect others opinions, until they make STUPID and USELESS arguements. (Jeff is the man).
-Mike
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"I feel like I'm stuck in Stand By Me." - The Ataris
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-Mike
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"I feel like I'm stuck in Stand By Me." - The Ataris
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OH NO, PEOPLE ARE DISSING THE BEST PARK IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!
Let me just add in that you don't win the golden ticket award two years in a row for nothing. CP is a great park, how many parks can you go to and ride the (2nd :() tallest coaster in the world, along with 13 others,watch performances, shows, ride smaller rides, take a 3 year old on something in Camp Snoopy, etc, etc, etc. CP's variety is what makes it so great and that is why it is the best park in the world.
Let me just add in that you don't win the golden ticket award two years in a row for nothing. CP is a great park, how many parks can you go to and ride the (2nd :() tallest coaster in the world, along with 13 others,watch performances, shows, ride smaller rides, take a 3 year old on something in Camp Snoopy, etc, etc, etc. CP's variety is what makes it so great and that is why it is the best park in the world.
I hate to sit on the fence, sometimes I will defend CP other times I will side with the nay-sayers. I think that we can all agree that there are quite a few world class rides. There are a few pretty average, but fun rides. And there are some small "entry level" coasters as well. CP has something for everyone, bottom line.
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Gotta ride 'em all!
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Gotta ride 'em all!
One cool thing is that CP does not have two of the same kind of coasters.
Giga,hyper,inverted,stand-up,wood twister, wood out-and-back,bobsled indoor, steel sitdown, suspended,wildcat,junior,kiddie,and dueling.
A really unique floorless would be great for the park.
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Parks for 2000: SFEG,IOA,MGM,WDW,PGA,SFMW,SCBB,Lakeside.
Giga,hyper,inverted,stand-up,wood twister, wood out-and-back,bobsled indoor, steel sitdown, suspended,wildcat,junior,kiddie,and dueling.
A really unique floorless would be great for the park.
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Parks for 2000: SFEG,IOA,MGM,WDW,PGA,SFMW,SCBB,Lakeside.
Hey SFMW doesnt have two of the same either. That must make it the best park in the world.
Let's see...
Wood Twister, Inverted, Sit Down Looper, Kiddie, oh and a Floorless.
In addition, there are great shows, performances, flat rides, and even animal shows too. Talk about variety, this place has got it.
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LONG LIVE ARROW DYNAMICS!!
Let's see...
Wood Twister, Inverted, Sit Down Looper, Kiddie, oh and a Floorless.
In addition, there are great shows, performances, flat rides, and even animal shows too. Talk about variety, this place has got it.
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LONG LIVE ARROW DYNAMICS!!
Raptor isn't unique? It's not only arguably the best of it's kind but it's the first of it's kind correct me if im wrong but that is pretty unique.
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WOOD RULES! *** This post was edited by son of beast on 8/20/2000. ***
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WOOD RULES! *** This post was edited by son of beast on 8/20/2000. ***
I personaly didn't think that CP was any better than PKI. They have the worst way to get to the park, but that is understandable. I didn't think that the ride ops were nice at all, at least not any nicer than PKI's. Last, the atmosphere is not that great at CP, but thats all my opinion.
Raptor came 2 years after Batman. As for it being the best of its kind. Personally I think Inverteds like Dueling Dragons is WAY better than Raptor. Fire dragon is way more intense and unique, and although Ice Dragon is similar to Raptor, all the near collisions and the cobra roll scaling the castle wall make it all the better than Raptor...Just my thought on the subject.
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CP's Overrated
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CP's Overrated
Im sorry about my info on it being the first of it's kind I guess I better recheck my recources.
Raptor is a unique ride though it has been beaten in records.
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WOOD RULES!
Raptor is a unique ride though it has been beaten in records.
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WOOD RULES!
Closed topic.
