CBC side friction?

Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:50 PM
If the Crystal Beach Cyclone was a side friction(Im pretty sure it was), how did it stay on the track with no up-stops on it?

Cause the trains were realy cookin with air-time on it going over those hills especialy through the bunny hops under the lift.

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At least I dont call a vertical loop a "loopdie-loop"!

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:53 PM
It had upstops.  They would have needed more than a nurse if it didn't!!

This is what side-friction track looks like: http://www.coastergallery.com/GA/L06.html
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- Peabody

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:56 PM
I know but even on videos and pics I see it as a side friction. It looks so much like one.

How did it have upstops if it was s-friction?

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At least I dont call a vertical loop a "loopdie-loop"!

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:06 PM
It was not a side friction. Never.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:13 PM
I don't know what you are referring to in regards to it being a side friction coaster.  It wasn't.  What picture have you seen that makes it so?  Just wondering....  Perhaps Ronald Anderson, with his expertise, might join in on the conversation with the excellent book knowledge he has of those older/legendary rides.
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:50 PM

RememberIdora said:

How did it have upstops if it was s-friction?


Again, it wasn't! (and never was) Look at it:
Crystal Beach Cyclone

For comparison: Regular coaster
Side friction: Leap the Dips

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- Peabody

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:05 PM
How about a comprimise? It was a side friction with upstops :)
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:09 PM
Interesting BigKirby, I didn't know Millennium Force was a side friction! (Or every other coaster for that matter) ;)
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- Peabody

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 4:16 PM
Yup. You just have to look at it a different way :)
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:34 PM
The other coaster at Crystal Beach , the Giant Coaster, was a true side friction coaster. It had track wheels and side wheels,but no up stops of any kind. It was that way until the day the park closed for good. I know, because I had ridden on it. It did come up off the track, you could feel it and hear it.

The Cyclone, like all of Harry Traver's creations, had up stops, although they weren't wheels. He used just a heavy piece of steel that engaged the under running steel "only when nescessary."

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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:42 PM
The CB Cyclone was not a side friction coaster.It had flanged wheels( like railroad train wheels) with upstops.Two coasters that I know of with this arangement that are currently operating are the PNE Coaster and Coaster Thrill Ride at the Puyallup Fair.What is unique about Coaster TR the coaster structure itself is a John Miller design and the trains are Prior& Church trains that came from a defunct coaster in Vancouver,BC(Happyland Dipper 1925-1947)
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Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:51 PM
There is an excellent drawing of the wheel/upstop arangement that Harry Traver used on his coasters in the book "Harry Traver,Legends of Terror".This book may be still available through ACE.
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Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:11 AM
The Teddy Bear at Strickers Grove has flanged wheels.  I linked to a pic above.
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- Peabody
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Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:26 AM
In David Bennet's book named Roller Coaster: Wooden and Steel Coasters, Twisters, and Corkscrews

Page 30 has the original plans for Upstop wheels designed by John Miller.  Patented on February 2, 1922, before Traver. 

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-Kyle Brylczyk
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Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:34 AM
Hey GemenI has no upstops just a bar and we all know what kind of air you can get on it.

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Does CCI know how to make a bad coaster?

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Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:39 AM
Those are upstops, Magnumforce (just not upstop wheels), although it is an interesting point. 

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- Peabody

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Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:05 AM
But it has the rasied guiding side track with the acute track arms.

I know now its not a side-frictionb but why the reaised sides?

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At least I dont call a vertical loop a "loopdie-loop"!

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Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:23 AM
I'm thinking to accomidate the flanged wheels.
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