Can Arrow survive?

Monday, June 3, 2002 5:55 PM
I'm just wondering, with fewer coasters being built this year than last (but it's still a good year IMO so don't call me greedy) it saddens me that none are Arrow. Why are so many parks afraid of buying from a company in bankruptcy protection when one major coaster can probably save the company?

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Monday, June 3, 2002 5:58 PM
I don't see why not they make the Best Wood coasters like Gemini and Excalibur.
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Monday, June 3, 2002 5:58 PM
Vekoma is filed for bankruptcy too and they build many new coasters every year. Whats the deal there? Doesn't seem like it turns parks off from buying from them.

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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly

*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 6/3/2002. ***

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:00 PM

THEY ARE NOT WOOD COASTERS!!!!

THEY ARE STEEL!!!

Is a mine Ride a wood coaster? No

Then why would Gemeni or Excalibur be.

Several people just told you this in your last post.

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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly

*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 6/3/2002. ***

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:17 PM
Sorry Magnum Force. Gemini is a wood coaster with steel tracking. You still get the sway of the wooden structure.
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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:19 PM

Ok, besides the obvious (that they are glorified Mine Rides), let's stay with the topic. If Arrow can find the magic potion that will make "X" unbreakable, then they will have that mysterious "Winner" that you are speaking of, BigKirb. A 4th dimension coaster that makes my bladder rush to the Toilet just by watching a video.....Wow! That thing is wicked!

When the bugs are swatted, X will be that 'winner' and Arrow will have something to build in many places other than SoCal. (ie: just plant one on the north coast of Ohio!)

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There's nothing like a woodie...

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:20 PM

OMG You think steel doesn't sway? Like I said do you call a mine ride a wooden coaster?

Would Hoosier Hurricane, Cornball Express, and Villian be steel coasters by your logic? They have steel supports and wood track.

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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:22 PM
The Great White at Morey's Pier is a traditional Steel coaster and one of my favorites.
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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:25 PM

What planet are you on? Great White is a woody, its a CCI. CCI doesn't even make a steel coaster. It is just like the aformentioned Villian, Cornball Express, and Hoosier Hurricane.

I guess Zeus is a half woody half steel coaster as it has both wood and steel supports.

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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly

*** This post was edited by MagnumForce on 6/3/2002. ***

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:40 PM
You need to calm down some Magnum Force....people do make mistakes.....
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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:44 PM

Mike E said:
Sorry Magnum Force. Gemini is a wood coaster with steel tracking. You still get the sway of the wooden structure.


True, but it is still considered a Steel Coaster. The supports dont matter, its what the actual track is that makes it either a Wood or Steel.

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:46 PM
Forget mistakes I am all for 'em, Lord knows I make plenty myself but when someone is bound determined something is true when its false, and even logic tells them this, it bugs me. Besides the fact that my only coaster rant in any way shape or form is that Gemeni IS NOT a wood coaster. I don't say who about anything but this. Oh yeah that and that I really really think the trains on Ninja at SFOG are Arrow trains although I may be wrong with that one. But no one has really showed any prrof one way or the other.

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The Beast and Night, They go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly

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Monday, June 3, 2002 6:59 PM

Mike E said:
Sorry Magnum Force. Gemini is a wood coaster with steel tracking. You still get the sway of the wooden structure.

Steelies sway, too. Take a look at Shockwave at SFOT and you can clearly see it sways (and it doesn't have a wooden structure)...in fact more than some woodies. Anyway, minies aren't woodies.

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*** This post was edited by The Shy One on 6/3/2002. ***

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Monday, June 3, 2002 7:04 PM
The decision for the Stratosphere ride will be voted on again here within the week, lets hope it gets approved this time so Arrow can begin working on it again.
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Monday, June 3, 2002 7:33 PM
Companies build what they are asked to. I'd much rather see X fully up to par before additional ones are made. Otherwise we'll have Deja Vu (literally). The reviews so far are overwhelming, but we cannot get bent out of shape over some mechanical challenges. This is one prototype that will not go the way of the "winged one". I can assure you there is more going on than just 4Ds right now. Heck, I just bought another hat! :)
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Monday, June 3, 2002 7:35 PM
It's hard to say what kind of future Arrow has now. One thing you have to remember is that most parks that have an Arrow multilooper or hyper is not going to ask them to build them a ride such as that. Also, many of the larger parks already have hypers or loopers from other companies. The plain fact is that if Arrow is going to make it in this industry, they are going to have to make it building something other than hypers and multiloopers. They will have to make it in this industry building new inovating rides such as X and the proposed launched at Las Vegas. It might not be a bad idea to redesign some of their older concepts such as their hypers and loopers to generate interest in other parks in the country and overseas who don't have them. Just a few thoughts...

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"See ya in the back!"

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Monday, June 3, 2002 7:45 PM

Daniel Northover said:
The Great White at Morey's Pier is a traditional Steel coaster and one of my favorites.

Listen man, steel track = steel coaster, wooden track = wooden coaster. It's pretty simple. It doesn't matter if the support structure is made of Jello, if there's steel track on it, it's still a steel coaster. I'm not trying to be rude here, but lets get our facts straight not ruffle anyone's feathers. OK?

Back to the subject at hand.... WIth X having continuous problems, we can probably assume that SFMM is not having to pay to fix it. As with the previous stuff which Arrow lost money, I doubt this would be different. After all, if you spent $20 million+ wouldn't you want a kind of warranty? Everyday wear and tear, normal wheel changes, etc. (equivilent of gas and oil changes for a car) I'm sure are SFMMs expense, but a non-working coaster is probably Arrow responsible. If your new truck/car stopped working after 6 months, it wouldn't be your responsibility to pay for it out of your pocket. (Most likely :) )

So, if Arrow is continuing to lose money, it doesn't help their problem. I'm sure no one wants they to go bust totally, but things sure aren't looking up with the current X situation.

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*** This post was edited by Peabody on 6/3/2002. ***

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Monday, June 3, 2002 8:34 PM

Daniel Northover said:
I don't see why not they make the Best Wood coasters like Gemini and Excalibur.


Both of them are technichilly a steel coaster, it rides on tubular steel track, but it has wood supports, so it is a hybrid.

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Monday, June 3, 2002 8:58 PM
I agree with Mr. Northover. Arrow makes a very good wood coaster and CCI designs a fine steel coaster.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 6:06 AM

a) STAY ON TOPIC.

b) Stop playing with D. Northover's head, you're confusing him......and the rest of the buzzers. Btw: Disaster Transport is an outstanding old woodie.

c) STAY ON TOPIC.

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There's nothing like a woodie...

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