B&M Sitdowns Going Extinct?

Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:37 AM

I was rather startled to realize that there are only 2 B&M old fashioned sitdown looping coasters operating in the U.S. Kumba at BGT and Wildfire at SDC. (I'm not counting Hulk as it uses LIM for power instead of the traditional lift hill.)

Are parks no longer interested in regular steel loopers? Seems to me that since Kumba is still considered a Top 10 steel coaster on most enthusiasts' lists, that sitdowns would still be a more cost-saving option for parks to consider building. But in the past 5 years, we haven't seen any.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:38 AM
I think the reasoning is: If you're going to build a sit-down, it might as well be a floorless.
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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:42 AM
i agree florless have realy caught on. B&M probobly did not plan to make too many regular sitdowns after medusa

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:52 AM
i think the reasoning is no park has ordered one, ever think about that? if a park wants one, they will get one.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:18 PM
Hulk has a tire launch, not LIM
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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:22 PM
96 is right, LIMs use magnetics to power the trains. Hulk uses powered tires to launch the trains. Kinda like the launched lift hill in RCT if you play that game... Try to find the Travel Channel special "Behind the scenes of Universal" They have an in-depth analysis of how it works exactly.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:22 PM
Exactly what Lone Star Thrills said. It's the same deal with the B&M Vertical Drop Coasters and Standups.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:23 PM

Lallen said:

I was rather startled to realize that there are only 2 B&M old fashioned sitdown looping coasters operating in the U.S. Kumba at BGT and Wildfire at SDC. (I'm not counting Hulk as it uses LIM for power instead of the traditional lift hill.)

Are parks no longer interested in regular steel loopers? Seems to me that since Kumba is still considered a Top 10 steel coaster on most enthusiasts' lists, that sitdowns would still be a more cost-saving option for parks to consider building. But in the past 5 years, we haven't seen any.



Boy your wayoff on this. Wildfire was built in 2000 and opened in 2001.

The Hulk is not a LIM launch coaster but rather then a tire launch and was opened in 1999.

The reason why you don't see very many B&M sitdowns get built is becasue they cost soo much to build from this company (Vekoma and Intamin is cheaper) and there's been alot been build already by Arrow and other companies.


Wildfire in fact is a 2nd generation B&M sitdown while Hulk and Kumba are 1st generation sitdowns.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:13 PM

Lone Star Thrills said:
i think the reasoning is no park has ordered one, ever think about that? if a park wants one, they will get one.

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The question is why dont parks want one?

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:21 PM

The park probley thinks..

Why get one with a floor when you can get one without.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:44 PM
Duh.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:59 PM
technology has just advanced far now, sitdown coasters are seen as boring and old hat.
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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:05 PM
Myabe it's because most parks that would be inclined to shell out the mega-bucks for a B&M already have some sort of older looping coasters, like an Arrow or a Vekoma.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:17 PM
Another thing, Wildfire is no where near "old fashoined". Where did you get that from? Silver Dollar City got their own train design for WIldfire, in no way is it "old fashioned".
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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:25 PM
Whats the difference from 1st generation sit down and 2nd generation sitdown?
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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:00 PM
Sitdowns are extinct? Ha...that's hilarious.

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:28 PM
Ya like the same with the giga-coaster. Only two ever made. Except everyone still wants a giga coaster:)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:00 PM

Beast_rocks said:
Whats the difference from 1st generation sit down and 2nd generation sitdown?


The newer sitdown trains are basically the floorless style seats with a metal floor and an upward flange on them. The seats are elevated like the floorless seats, but that piece of flooring is basically all that separates it from a floorless train.

The link below has an upclose photo of the train at the 2000 IAAPA expo.(It's about 1/3 the way down on the left hand side.) http://www.ridewarrior.com/Thrillridearchives/SpecialFeatures/iaapa2000/iaapa2000.html

Here are some more Wildfire photos so you can see the difference.(near the bottom) http://www.lonestarthrills.com/photo_gallery/silver_dollar_city.php

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:14 PM

A simpler comparison than Floorless to 2nd-gen sitdown is 2nd-gen to speed. Take AC, RB, Nitro, or Sliver Star, remove the clam shell, put on a OTSR. Thats it.

And how are they extinct? They were never popular to begin with. Kumba was first, then Dragon Khan. Years later came Hulk, then a couple years later was Wildfire. Recently sit down loopers just havn't been that popular, taking a back seat to floorless, inverted, and flying. The only major recent sit down loopers (last 10 years) I can think of are the 4 B&Ms, Tennessee Tornado, Collossus, and Cyclone @ Dreamworld (but it was relocated, so I don't know if it really counts.)

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Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:03 PM
What the heck is wrong with Wildfire? All of those 'unpopular' sit-downs seemed pretty popular to me. Not as popular as some floorless, but I can find nothing wrong with any of these.
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