b&m rocket?

He's really a unhappy B&M employee....or maybe he's an industry spy... but then again I thought spies were supposed to not get noticed?

eh...he could be a really enthusiastic mid-20 year old.

And isn't TTD the only Intamin rocket that has the loading/unloading stations? Don't all the others have the dual station with that stitching track? I've only seen TTD and Stormrunner. Kingda King has the dual station. What about Xcelerator, Rita, and Kanonen?

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Beast Tamer said:
Yeah, b&M's have got so smooth that the rides now are boring.

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I agree with you Incidentalist, and I also think that BT is implying that there should be more rough coasters(especially wooden ones with loops ;) ), but they should be launched. *** Edited 4/15/2005 9:59:29 PM UTC by AdrenalineJunkie***

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Beast Tamer said:
Yeah, b&M's have got so smooth that the rides now are boring...

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Right. And you've ridden Silver Bullet how many times now?

Tekno,

According to Beast Tamer himself, he's only been to parks that have 4 B&Ms. Raptor, Mantis, Chang and Dominator are all that he could have possibly ridden.

While I wouldn't sing praises of all of them (Mantis), I wouldn't call any of them boring either.

Personaly i haven't liked any of the b&m's i have been on. I don't get a rush on them. I drove the 4.5 hours to geauga lake to ride my first floorless and i was unimpressed. My favorite ride there was villain. The only good part about a beemer is the dip and turn before the drop, when you sitin the back outside it feels like you are going to be thrown from the train, then it sucks from there. There are no forces. Intamin builds forceless coasters also like mf and ttd, but i give them credit they make it fast and tall.

Hydra looks to have some new-ish inversions, and I'm not talking about the JoJo Roll either.

The first inversion is very unique. The Two Corkscrews are HUGE. That Cobra Roll doesn't completely invert, rather it severly overbanks twice. Add A Bunny Hop for airtime and the best B&M inversion ever, and you have a very "new" kind of coaster from B&M. Oh yeah...and it's floorless, which is "new-ish" too.

I haven't been to KBF, but SB has a few new-to-B&Ms as well...Overbanked turn for one.

Even if it didn't launch, Hulk was unique when built, and still is.

I always thought that B&Ms were more expensive due to more steel it takes to build those wide tracks. Am I wrong in thinking that is the reason?

B&M is a very smart company, imho. If they see it nessessary to start designing launch coasters, they will.

Trent Reznor only releases a new Nine Inch Nails album every 5 or so years. B&M only design and build 3 or so coasters per year. That says to me that when you are the best, you should spread your work out over time so that you don't become unstylish.

Yes, I just compared NIN to B&M lol.

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Beast Tamer said:
Intamin builds forceless coasters also like mf and ttd, but i give them credit they make it fast

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I'm pretty sure I've blacked out of MF at least once at the bottom of the first drop going into the overbank. Well, since MF is forceless, that can't be why I blacked out. I should definately make sure I don't go 93 in my car so I don't black out while I'm driving.

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Beast Tamer said:

Coastermania last year i drank a case of beer at the hotel, went to the park

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That might explain why you prefer the coasters you do. Or at least why you so eloquently defend them.

Bingo....you should also not try to write your CB Signature when drunk too...might affect spelling...

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Beast Tamer said:

I am no doctor, but you should have a physical if you blacked out.

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I know of several people that have experienced that. It has happened to me on Raptor and InVertigo too. No big deal.

edit: By blackout, I really mean more like a greyout for a few seconds.

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The only time I've ever came close to that was on Goliath @ SFMM, I guess the trims were off, it was a year or so after it opened, that Helix, my eyes went black and I started seeing *stars* then it was over. It was awesome.

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Beast Tamer said:
Intamin builds forceless coasters also like mf and ttd, but i give them credit they make it fast and tall.

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I can think of a number of adjectives for Dragster, but "forceless" is so far off the list it's not even in the same reference dictionary.

Obviously, Beast Tamer is one of those riders who equates shuffling and bouncing with "forces". That's fine if that's what they like, but it's clearly in the minority.

Now, to be fair, I generally prefer Villain to Batman, er, Dominator, too, but that depends on how well Villain is running that day. I really hope that ride returns to the glory days of its opening year. *** Edited 4/16/2005 3:06:43 PM UTC by GregLeg***

They need to get rid of those damn Gerstlauer trains and it would be better...

I don't think the Gerst's hurt Villain nearly as much as they hurt, say, Legend. Gersts aren't bad trains when the ride doesn't provide a lot of laterals, and Villain is more about airtime. PTC's might still provide some improvement, but it wouldn't be nearly as dramatic as the switch on Legend.

Haven't spoken in ages on here, and probably none of you know me.

Anyways, after riding the Incredible Hulk just last week, I realized why B&M didnt want to deal with the launched coasters.

Keep in mind though, that they were in the process of developing a launched coaster using LIM's back in 2000 or 2001 (to long ago to remember). While attending IAAPA with an invitation from B&M (and yes, I still have proof of that for all you none believers), I was invited by Vincent Haesler (Mechanical Engineer for B&M) to attend the conference they hold every year with new and existing customers to discuss upcoming ride developments and concepts.

Among the flying coaster that they had discussed, was the possobility of them developing a launched coaster using LIM's.

But seeing how long its been since then, it looks like that idea has been tossed.

Which, in my opinion, is great, because Incredible Hulk sucks.

By the way, there was a heck of alot to read, and I might have passed it by, but the launch was not made by B&M, it was outsourced. *** Edited 4/16/2005 8:00:51 PM UTC by TheNewLMHDesign***

The Incredible Hulk is your standard sit-down coaster by B+M. They tried with the launch, did an O.K job with it, nothing special.

The thing with B+M, is that while none of their coasters are boring by ANY stretch of the imagination, they are all repetitive.

Whenever I go on a B+M, I feel like I've ridden a ride too similar to it. It's because I have. I've never been "Bored" on them, I just know what's going to happen when I see the track ahead.

That's what's happening to us. B+M hasn't treated us to anything "different." Yeah, we've gotten different layouts, but no new inversions.

So, while the coasters aren't boring, they are just too similar to the one you've ridden before it..

So, I'm in the category with: Yes, they are smooth and fun rollercoasters, but they are all just way too similar for my liking now.

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GregLeg said:
I don't think the Gerst's hurt Villain nearly as much as they hurt, say, Legend. Gersts aren't bad trains when the ride doesn't provide a lot of laterals...

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Precisely! Incidentally, TS/TT, HC5, and Cheetah, they're the ones that NEED to get rid of the Gersties...just IMAGINE if Cornball ran them....yeeeooooouuuucccchhh!

As far as a B&M "rocket"....well, IF (when?) B&M considers going into launch technology, I'd bet they'd end up going with some sort of "next-gen LIM"...reliability would be THE determining factor for them based on their history, LOL...;)
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Remember though, if a park wants a custom layout, B&M will most make it for them. Just because a ride has a similar layout or similar elements isn't always because of the ride manufacture.

-Sean

I don't see why they don't look into LIMs. They've been around for a while and B&M could develop them to their standards.

I still think a launched flyer concept would be cool. I mean what super-hero starts flying after a "chain lift" :D

But I know nothing about the forces of a launch via the position of your body.

Like I said before Geewhzz, they were looking into them a while back. But as for today. Who knows.

They would require a bit more electricity than intamins LIM due to that unavoidable fact that there brake fin (or whatever you want to call that giant beam that runs down the center, underside, of the train, is alot larger than those fins from Intamin, Vekoma, etc.

I guess they could do the side launches like vekoma, but that would take away from the overall design of the train, so who knows.