B&M Midcourse Brake Order

Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:58 AM
Does anybody else think that if B:DK had a Cobra Roll it would have had a midcourse brake. If you look at all the other floorless' in America (excluding Kraken) they all have Cobra Roll, then a midcourse brake. Does this have something to do w/ speed and do you think the exclusion of a Cobra Roll from B:DK has saved it from a MCBR?
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:06 AM
No.  The cobra roll has nothing to do with it.  B:DK's track length is short enough, it just isn't needed. 
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:12 AM
ravenguy98 is right...just look at Talon, or Ga Scorcher!  And, I'll add, those are two of my fav Beemers...
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:49 AM
Wildfire has a cobra roll and no midcourse brake. Maybe track length is the determining factor.

 

Jim W.

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:56 AM

SFNE Freak said:
If you look at all the other floorless' in America (excluding Kraken) they all have Cobra Roll, then a midcourse brake.

As a matter of fact, Kraken does have a Cobra Roll, immediately followed my a mid-course brake-run.

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:59 AM
Yeah, ditto to FLcoasterrider. Then it has the best 2nd drop ever followed by that awesome loop!

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:47 AM
There will be a block brake if the park wants to:

A. Run more than two trains or
B. Have the future *ability* to run more than two trains (Chang, lol).

A cobra roll has nothing to do with it, look at Supes in Madrid...seven inversions and no block brake anywhere.

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:53 AM
Goudrix - 7 inversions, pretty darn long, no midcourse.
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:02 AM

Legendary said:
There will be a block brake if the park wants to:
A. Run more than two trains or
B. Have the future *ability* to run more than two trains (Chang, lol).

There are ways around this however.  Just look at Dueling Dragons.  Each side runs almost always is flawlessly running 3 trains with no MCBR.  I think the key to this is the double loading/unloading stations.  On Dueling Dragons, you will usually find one (2) train(s) in the circuit, one(2) preparing to dispatch or actually on the lift(s), and one (2) arriving into the station(s).

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:17 AM
Exactly.  It's all about blocking (something RideMan can explain very well).  A midcourse adds 2 more blocks as soon as it's there (the brake itself, and the segment after the brake).  Since the Dragons have the separate load and unload stations, they have another block that most midcourse-less rides don't have.

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*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 2/20/2002. ***

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 10:39 AM
...and, I'll add, having the dual loading/unloading stations certainly adds TONS to capacity if run properly.  Put MF in a park where they don't know how to dispatch quickly, and you'd have tons o' stacking, and capacity would SUFFER.  The benefits of the separate stations are abundant, and some are not immediately noticeable...like the folks blocking the exit ramp are NOT a problem anymore...
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:25 PM
Greg --

A "mid course block brake" (hate that damn term!) does NOT count as a separate block.  It is a control point.  For example, Raging Bull...

Block A - End of the station to the top of the lift.

Block B - Top of lift until *end* of the block brake.

Block C - End of block brake to service brakes.

Block D - Safety/Transfer brakes.

Block E - Station.

Now, the control point is anywhere on the ride a train can be stopped:  Lift, block brakes, service/safety/transfer brakes or in the station.

Dragons is different than others because of the load/unload platforms. 

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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:06 PM
Actually, Medusa West is a floorless and doesnt have a Cobra Roll. Instead it has a "Sea Serpent" inversion.
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:25 PM
Legendary, you're right -- that was worded poorly.

The midcourse adds a point where you can safely stop the train, making the course 2 blocks, not adding two MORE (for a total of 3, as I accidentally implied above).

Good catch!

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