Friday, January 16, 2004 6:33 PM
To my knowledge, every looping B&M has a large loop after the first drop (with the exception of Hulk and Dueling Dragons).
Are there any looping B&M's that don't have a large vertical loop after the first drop?
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Friday, January 16, 2004 6:42 PM
Alpengeist goes into a dive loop before its vertical loop
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Friday, January 16, 2004 6:48 PM
I can name two :)

Nemesis

Wildfire

OK, now I feel like I have contributed something worthy of acclaim.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 8:04 PM
Alpengeist goes into an immeleman instead of a loop.

Arg its the only one I can think of. There are deffinately more out there though.

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Friday, January 16, 2004 8:38 PM
If you think about it, it isn't just B&M loopers that have most of their first inversion be a vert loop. Almost every full circuit looper thas a vert loop has that as it's first inversion. It is, afterall, the most recognizable type of inversion for non-enthusiasts, so they start with the old favorite and branch off from there.
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Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:37 AM
The vertical loop also requires the most height to successfully negotiate. Imagine if B&M started throwing loops the size of the interlocking corks...
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Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:45 AM
All three of the IOA B&Ms. That should cover it.
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Saturday, January 17, 2004 4:48 AM
  • Incredible Hulk has a zero-G roll (first inversion) or Cobra Roll (after the first drop).
  • Dueling Dragons Fire (Immelmann) and Ice (zero-G roll).
  • Alpengeist has an Immelmann.
  • Nemesis has a corkscrew.
  • Wildfire has an Immelmann.

That's your full list!

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Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:45 AM
Apollo: a very LARGE vertical loop requires a lot of speed to successfully negotiate. Look at Kraken, it has a vertical loop after the midcourse, and is considerably smaller than it's first vertical loop. Although it is not nearly as small as the corks, it is possibly the smallest vertical B&M loop.
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Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:15 AM
I havent ridden Kraken but I remember Montu having an extremely small loop (thats half in the ground) and of course all the B:TRs have tiny loops too where does Kracken's loop fit in size wise?
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Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:04 PM

Soggy said:
Kraken, it has a vertical loop after the midcourse, and is considerably smaller than it's first vertical loop. Although it is not nearly as small as the corks, it is possibly the smallest vertical B&M loop.


Dragon Kahn also has a second Vloop right after the MCBR - they might be the same size though.
As to loop smallness, the inverters may have smaller loops because the cars don't collide when the curvature gets narrower. On the other note-- this makes it difficult for an inverter to have a decent airtime hill.
Inverted loops seem a lot smaller, too, because the train travels on the outside.

*** Edited 1/17/2004 10:06:03 PM UTC by superman***

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Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:12 PM
The size or placement of a loop has to do with velocities and forces upon the rider...nothing more.

Wood - anything else is an imitation

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