Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:32 PM
I was wondering.....

Why haven't more B&M Dive machines been built ? Do they go through a lot of downtime or something ? I agree that Oblivion is too short(or G-5) , but if this ride was longer and had a loop or two like in Rct ,wouldn't be a great ride?and the marketing...I can think of so many names for a ride like that(pertaining to the drop). AFew...

Black hole(if tunnel at bottom) ,Drop Zone(for any paramounts that don't have one) Straight Down ,Abyss, Vertical

Thanks In advance for posting.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:35 PM
My guess is that they're too much like the drop rides that most parks already have... but likely *much* more expensive.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:36 PM
If a park wanted one, B&M would build one.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:40 PM

Den said:
My guess is that they're too much like the drop rides that most parks already have... but likely *much* more expensive.

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But if it had a couple loops then it would be so much like a drop ride.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:31 PM
Drop Zone(for any paramounts that don't have one)

Um, well, all Paramount's Parks have Drop Zone (Except Terra Mitica, which has nothing Paramount themed, I don't think, and they do have a drop tower), so that wouln't work. My guess is, Parks are looking for something new and innovative, or else they go with wood, and since this isn't new, we probably won't see many parks that want to spend $$$ on one now.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:38 PM

This question is asked once a month, and everytime the answer is the same. B&M builds what the parks want. So why haven't any other dive machines been built? Say it with me kids...the parks don't want one. Besides, if you ask me the whole vertical drop thing is nothing more than a gimmick anyway.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:42 PM
Why build a dive machine if there are better things out there?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:54 PM
Exactly, BullGuy. Ususally those who ask why more don't exist haven't even ridden one to see how good [or bad] it is.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:23 PM
well all i can say oblivion gives one GOD DAMN HUGE RUSH!

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:26 PM
Having ridden Oblivion many times, I must say that I am surprised that more haven't been built, Moosh. Unfortunately for Alton Towers, they decided to keep the ride securely under wraps until launch day. Oblivion then became the object of such mystery that imaginations went into overdrive. Some people, who were privy to the full details of the ride but "weren't allowed to let on" gave tantalising hints that made the situation worse.

By the time opening day approached those of us enthusiasts who had been kept in the dark ended up very disappointed at first, as the images we'd built up in our heads of cars that turn you upside down before the drop, or waterfalls with spinning cars, ended up with just an eight-seat wide train and a bit of mist as you enter the tunnel.

It took a while to get over that, but now I find that it is one of the most impressive drop rides of it's type. The slow lift and turn around really builds up the suspense. As the train slowly approaches the drop, you can see the track drop away out of sight, leaving just the wooded hills in the distance in view. The train (or shuttle, as it called) slowly tips over the edge to 45 degrees than stops. You can see the hole vertically below the train. Your feet are off the floor for the whole ride as the seats are angled - on the lift hill you are nearly horizontal. "Don't Look Down" echoes over the speaker system and then the train plunges down. The curvature of the track keeps you out of your seat for the whole of the drop, making a more intense freefall sensation that a standard drop tower. When you enter the tunnel, the water mist effectively blinds you and adds to the disorientation. The G force as the track bottoms out is in stark contrast to the zero G on the drop, and then you rise into a vertically-banked turn before hitting the brakes.

It took a while to get over the initial disappointment generated as a direct result of Alton Tower's misguided idea of total (or near-total) secrecy. Now, I find Oblivion to be one of my favourite, and most intense, drop-ride experiences.

Travio - drop rides are found in almost every park, so what exactly is the gimmick? The B&M dive machine revisits the drop ride genre and produces a totally new experience which has proven its popularity with all ages of park-goer over here in England.

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:48 PM
I wasn't making a judgement on Oblivion...I've never ridden it. But I've noticed in the past that most of those asking "why haven't more <insert coaster type here> been built?" haven't actually ridden one.

However I respect your opinion on the ride experience.

mOOSH

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:07 PM

Well I think that a reason why there haven't been more made is because a vertical drop isn't a huge feat anymore. Parks are looking for rides that offer more thrills that one vertical drop. I do think that B&M's Dive machines are great designs and all but i don't think we'll be seeing anymore of those being cranked out. They have gone the way of Flashback The only hairpin drop coaster. Fun rides not popular.
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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:23 PM
..yes. now we've moved on to a vertical climb followed by a vertical drop. ;)

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:27 PM
Maddie - actually we've moved to a vertical climb and a beyond vertical drop [the Gestlauer at Bon Bon Land, for example].

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:34 PM
heh. those must be some cookies if I can smell them baking all the way over in bon-bon land? Does that mean the Old Mill is just past Austria?


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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:37 PM

Mamoosh said:
I wasn't making a judgement on Oblivion...I've never ridden it. But I've noticed in the past that most of those asking "why haven't more <insert coaster type here> been built?" haven't actually ridden one.

However I respect your opinion on the ride experience.

mOOSH

Don't worry Moosh - I know where you are coming from! I was just adding my point of view as one of those who actually has ridden the machine in reply to your comment rather than as some sad, snotty aside - I'm really not that kinda guy! Honest! ;-)

It's a great ride, but I have to agree with TeknoScorpion that this type of ride is probably too expensive now for what it is.



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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:01 PM
rcdb says it cost 7 mill, although it said dollars i am unsure. this is not breaking the bank for any big park, and perhaps wif out the huge tunnel it may cost alot less?

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Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:40 PM

Robster said:


I find that it is one of the most impressive drop rides of it's type. The slow lift and turn around really builds up the suspense..... I find Oblivion to be one of my favourite, and most intense, drop-ride experiences.

Robster: I agree - I found Oblivion to be an intense experience unlike most other "drop rides" (if you choose to categorize it as such). And another point often forgotten: Oblivion is almost as fun to watch as it is to ride.


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