bayerncurve?!

Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:02 PM
some corkscrew coasters (like this one http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail778.htm ) have something called a 'bayerncurve', whereas some (like this one http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail317.htm ) dont have this thing called a bayerncurve. my question is, what is this bayerncurve thing?!
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Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:18 PM

I always thought a Bayern Curve was just the flat ride, as seen over here on Kennywood Boulevard.

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Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:26 PM
eerie...laurence has been reading my thoughts. But I had connected that with the flat ride (sometimes called Bayern Kurve/Curve) and decided that it probably is a German word referring to the shape or angle of the track. I hope now that laurence has picked my brain (ouch!), that someone will be able to enlighten us both....:) Thanks to anyone who can help resolve this mystery...
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Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:45 PM

If i had to make an educated guess, i would have to say its that upward spiraling helix at the end........The regular corkscrews on rcdb don't have that.....

With bayern curve....http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail778.htm

Without bayern curve... http://www.rcdb.com/installationdetail218.htm

I saw this once before on rcdb but didnt' think too much of it. I also was thinking of the circular when i read this post topic.

*** This post was edited by Blaster_1578 on 4/12/2002. ***

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Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:27 PM
Also if anyone remembers Valleyfair has a bayerncurve over by northwoods grill and Looping starship. It was almost like the one at Kennywood.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 AM

"Kurve" in German refers to circular, or turning - can be almost translated to curve (although not best choice). Bayern is German for the place known as Bavaria in The Netherlands. That is a literal translation, word for word.

However, when the two are together, I guess you could say it translates to Helix or some sort of turn where the vertical height changes throughout the bend.

The Flat Ride you refer to is the Schwarzkopf Bayern Kurve. This is a sort of coaster in a nutshell. It is a powered train navigating a circular course where at one end the train goes up and down a hill, while curving. This rides can be rather sickening, although they pick up quite a lot of speed. You'd be surprised.

Back to the original question, the Corkscrew with Bayerncurve or Bayernkurve is a production model of a Vekoma rollercoaster. Their only other (production) Corkscrew coaster is the Double Loop Corkscrew. It is just like the Arrow Corkscrew and their Loop+Corkscrew (sometimes called the Arrow LoopScrew, not to be confused with the Loopscrew that is found on some Schwarzkopf Multi-Loopers).

The reason they added "with Bayern Kurve" is most likely due to some possible chance that there could be legal problems if Arrow decided that the Vekoma Corkscrew's production name was confusing to customers.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 5:53 AM

auscoasterman said:

"Kurve" in German refers to circular, or turning - can be almost translated to curve (although not best choice). Bayern is German for the place known as Bavaria in The Netherlands. That is a literal translation, word for word.



Bavaria is no where near the Netherlands. Bavaria is a German State located in southern Germany near the alps. They are the ones who made the lederhosen famous and are the ones who hold Octoberfest ever year. I was stationed near Bavaria for two years in the Army and I guarded the Czech border from Bavaria 3 months at a time on and off the whole time.

Sorry, just had to correct that little problem :)

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Friday, April 12, 2002 6:26 AM

Well said KickThe Sky.

"God made heaven and earth,but the Dutch made Holland"

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Friday, April 12, 2002 7:22 AM
Also, it would be more accurate to say that the train on a Bayern Kurve/Swissbob flat ride is not powered, but rather driven. Well, it is powered, but the power is for the lights and for the tilt motors. The actual train drive is with two sets of pinch wheels...one set in front of the doghouse, the other set diametrically opposite the first. The pinch wheels push against fins on the bottom of the train, and explain why the ride does not run in the rain.

Originally, the Bayern Kurve had a bus-bar attached to the inboard rail to provide power for the tilt motors, but most of them have been modified...the tunnels and decorative masts have been removed, and a commutator ring assembly has been added in the center with a cable extending out to the middle of the train.

Cedar Point had one ca. 1972-1984; theirs had the full scenery package as seen here.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 10:02 AM

It's a really outstanding ride, and I really hope that those parks that have them continue to give them the love and care they need to entertain my kids some day.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 10:10 AM

Swiss Bob...wow, do you guys know how to run a net through the shredded fabric of my memories...not sure if it was SFGAdv or the Jersey Shore, but I remember that name, the ride was Blue/White, themed to the Alps, and the DJ would play the music louder as the ride went faster....

Thanks for the memories, Dave....

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Friday, April 12, 2002 10:10 AM
I remember loving the Bayern Kurve at SFGAm. That ride was so awesome. I wish they would get another one.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 3:41 PM
Back to the subject the corkscrew itself doesnt look like a normal one. That element probably made it a bayern curve or whatever you said.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 3:47 PM
you can see on this picture ( http://www.towersalmanac.com/attractions/ugland/galleries/corkscrew/img02.html ) tthat there is a downward helix just to the right of the first corkscrew, could this be what the bayerncurve refers to?
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Friday, April 12, 2002 4:24 PM

After going to Japan, I've been wrong about how many different corkscrew models you can make:

Togo Corkscrew

Togo Tornado

Arrow Corkscrew

Arrow Loopscrew

Venkoma Corkscrew

Venkoma Custom Corkscrew

Venkoma Corkscrew with Bayer Curve(this one is the only one not in Japan)

Venkoma Whirlwind(Tornado in different cases)

Meisho Jet Looper

Meisho Jetscrew

It was amazing to see all this much creativity in Japan, not clone here, clone there, but go to a different designer or make it a custom and unique corkscrew.

Back to the topic, becuase Venkoma has built a regular corkscrew and a corkscrew with bayen curve in Japan, I can note that the Bayen Curve is the to diving curves at the very beginning of the ride after the lift hill. How would geuss this? Between the two Venkoma models, the only major difference is the diving 180 degree turn off the lift. I don't think it's the helix because the other Venkoma corkscrew model feature the helix.

*** This post was edited by Vertigo on 4/12/2002. ***

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Friday, April 12, 2002 6:26 PM
Isnt this what Vekoma calls their helix elements on their coasters. Or at least they do on their SLC+ models.

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Friday, April 12, 2002 7:33 PM

Vertigo,

Thanks for the pictures!

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