Auctioneer says Geauga Lake Big Dipper was offered to ACE for free

Posted Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:45 PM | Contributed by Jeff

According to the vice president of Norton Auctioneers, Geauga Lake's Big Dipper was offered to the American Coaster Enthusiasts at no cost, but the organization did not accept the offer. The ride will be a part of the auction this coming week.

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Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:00 PM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar "at no cost" is a nicely misleading choice of words.
Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:02 PM
But how many thousands of dollars would it cost to tear it down, transport it somewhere, store, transport again, rebuild...probably without any sort of blueprints, and not to mention, where would it go?
Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:22 PM
^Why would you need blueprints? As the ride is already in existence, you take it apart and number each part as you tear it down. Isn't that what they did with The Phoenix?

All someone would have to do is go around the ride with a digital camera and take multiple pictures and use Google maps to get a view from overtop of the ride. Someone could also use No Limits for a mostly accurate recreation of the ride. The Big Dipper sits on flat land as well, so it's not like the elevation issue would come into play at all.

It said in the one article I read last night that ACE didn't have the money to move it, and with the amount of traveling some of those people do (going from event to event) it's no wonder.

Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:02 PM
Rctycoon2k's avatar Intamin Fan, it might be easy to reconstruct it, but you need to have someone engineer blueprints for footers and foundation. you can't just randomly throw some cinder blocks in the ground randomly and call them "footers," it does take some work.
Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:41 PM
Jeff's avatar What, should Cedar Fair foot the bill to tear it down, move it and reconstruct it too? Sounds like a pretty fair offer to me. Bummer that the ACE leadership couldn't find partners to make it work.
Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:56 PM
Now this brings up the question why wasn't the ACE membership at large notified of this offer? There were no emails sent out concerning this developement.
Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:57 PM
Indeed, I wonder how many donations would have been forthcoming if this offer had been made known to the membership.
Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:04 PM
Let Coasterbuzz have it!
Saturday, June 14, 2008 8:38 PM
Jeff's avatar CoasterBuzz doesn't want it. ;)
Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:57 PM
^^ Intamin Fan, there is significantly more involved in relocating a ride than using digital images and Google Earth. There are serious costs in planning and developing the new site alone, not to mention the costs of the new foundation, moving the pieces, seeking approval from the local authority, new utilities, meeting current building codes, etc etc.

Take it from a guy who's been involved in a ride relocation, it costs hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars to take all the steps necessary.

Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:53 AM
Lord Gonchar's avatar "Cedar Fair is evil! They planned to kill this park from the start. We're losing a classic! Here's a million and one ideas for saving it. Protest. Petition. Complain!"

"Ok, the coaster is yours. No one wants it. You take it."

"Well, we can't do anything with it."

Is it just me? It plays like the punchline to a joke. :)

Sunday, June 15, 2008 11:37 AM
Now that ACE dont want it,I wonder if they would offer the same deal if a park wanted it?
Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:01 PM
Raven-Phile's avatar Cross post of mine from the BD discussion - to the people who are whining about them not giving it away for "free" because they wanted ACE to pay to move it:

When you buy groceries, do you want the store to pay for your gas to drive them home, and send a bagger to bring them in and stock your cupboards for you, too?

Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:37 PM
I find the comment by the Norton Auctioneers VP to be quite interesting. I'm not sure who they contacted--no one on the ACE Executive Committee knows anything about this.
Sunday, June 15, 2008 2:20 PM
Jeff's avatar Maybe they need to rope in the people speaking (and burning bridges) on its behalf then.
Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:14 PM
Having had to deal with Norton personally in the past, I'd say that their comment is definitely suspect. Found that they are real good at bending the truth in order to get more attention.
Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:24 PM
I know that moving the pieces was involved in the financial process, as I've got Wild One forty-five minutes down the road, and of course you're going to need all new foundations.

I guess I shouldn't have made the process sound like it was going to be so easy, but, I still don't think a lack of blueprints (if that is the situation) would be a major roadblock. Some of your other concerns definitely could be.

Why did the brilliant Texas Cyclone pass into oblivion? Besides Six Flags trying to get out of Houston as fast as possible, there were the clearance issues. Trust me, I know someone who shattered his elbow into multiple pieces because of that ride. From what I can remember from last year, The Big Dipper didn't have those issues.

But, I still think there's got to be plenty of people within the organization who could've taken this project head-on. I'm sure there's an engineer or two, a lawyer, and whoever else you'd need amongst their ranks to make it happen. ACE members, as well as, all coaster enthusiasts come from all walks of life.

I still say it was due to monetary issues, but also because of location. Where exactly would they have put it, and/or where would they store it if they couldn't convince anyone to put it up in the near future?

Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:31 PM
I'd like to know how it is they're claiming that they offered it to ACE and yet none of the higher-ups in ACE seem to know anything about it. What did they do, walk up to a 10 year old with an ACE card and go, "Hey kid, you want this? No, well ok, but don't say we didn't offer."

I doubt ACE would have been able to afford the relocation costs but the fact that there was never any word from ACE about this offer and no typical ACE fundraising campaign to try and scrape enough coin together makes me think that there was never a formal offer in the first place...

Monday, June 16, 2008 1:26 AM
Ya know what, there was a time when grocers actually did that in this country (everything but buying the gas).

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