Atlantis Adventure: Intamin Water Coaster

How can you even comment that the themeing for AA will be just a load of rebar and concrete when all you have to go on is a couple of tiny pictures on rcdb.com. Your the typical type of person that slates a ride before they have even ridden it.

"I'd be *very* surprised if Atlantis Adventure had any sort of coherent story line to it."

You what? You honestly think they are going to spend all those millions of pounds on a incredibly well themed dark ride/coaster/water ride and not give it a decent story to go along with it. If you had looked at the pictures then you would see that the ride is illustrated with a number a stills and from there you can make out a story ending with an encounter with a Dragon. The best most efective stories are often the simplest.

Let me guess you think the world revolves around the hub of every Disney Park and nobody anywhere else is capable of themeing a ride with any degree of sucess.

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aflack said:
Your the typical type of person that slates a ride before they have even ridden it.

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Seriously, what is it with Coasterbuzz people calling me typical?

I've only seen photographs of Atlantis Adventure as I've only seen photographs of DisneySea. DisneySea has an obvious quality about its craftsmanship that translates through photographs. Atlantis Adventure, however, does not. I'll go to Tokyo three times before I think of going to Korea based on what I've seen.

But, hey you're right -- I'm not in any position to call it a crappy ride because I haven't ridden it yet -- just like you're not in any position to tell me it's not a crappy ride. You haven't ridden it either.

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You what? You honestly think they are going to spend all those millions of pounds on a incredibly well themed dark ride/coaster/water ride and not give it a decent story to go along with it.

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It's not as if it hasn't happened before. What comes to mind? Mission: SPACE. Disney's California Adventure. Jurassic Park: River Adventure. But, hey, who would spend that kind of money on a ride and not give it a decent story?

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If you had looked at the pictures then you would see that the ride is illustrated with a number a stills and from there you can make out a story ending with an encounter with a Dragon. The best most efective stories are often the simplest.

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The same pictures I shouldn't be using to draw conclusions about the ride? I'm confused.

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Let me guess you think the world revolves around the hub of every Disney Park and nobody anywhere else is capable of themeing a ride with any degree of sucess.

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I think Disney has a better history of success. I think Disney redefined the genre with Disneyland, the Haunted Mansion, Spaceship Earth, and Splash Mountain. Disney then grew complacent and lost its focus. The result was some spectacular thematic failures.

Other companies and parks stepped in at that point and created some of the best attractions on Earth. Spiderman, after you get past its queue, makes you go "Disney who?" Men in Black: Alien Attack is rich with detail that makes repeated rides interesting and engaging. The queue theming is absolutely top notch.

But, you knew I was going to say all of that. I'm sure it's the typical response.
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--Maddie--
What do I Listen-To?
May the Schwarz be with you.
*** This post was edited by Chernabog 9/17/2003 1:19:00 PM ***

What's wrong with Spidey's queue?

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-Mike Buscema

'No matter how skilled the designer is, every time we push the envelope we learn new things about coaster design.' --Dana Morgan
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I don't think he has a problem with it... just the opposite. I think he's saying that the queue is Disney-quality, with the actual ride making the rider forget all about Disney.

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-Rob (simply stating his interpretation of the post)
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Rob Ascough said:
I don't think he has a problem with it... just the opposite. I think he's saying that the queue is Disney-quality, with the actual ride making the rider forget all about Disney.

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That's *almost* it. ;)

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--Maddie--
What do I Listen-To?
May the Schwarz be with you.

Ah I see. Well, in defense of the park, there is still an audience out there that will buy the inferior product, and so they'll capitalize on that.

In defense of you, fine craftmanship does not go unnoticed. It's the one thing that I expect from Disney, and love Disney for it. You walk around the entire park thinking, "Wow, they put a LOT of work into this." And I guess that's what I pay for when I go there.

But how many top of the line parks can the market support? If you draw an analogy with the car market, how many Rolls Royce or Ferarri caliber companies can survive?

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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

It depends on the market... In some areas of the country, I can see people complaining about a $20 premium when it comes to park admissions, but in others, I don't see it mattering if people are convinced that they are getting a better product.

Then again, the cost of Six Flags Great Adventure is $50, which is right in line with all of the Orlando parks. I know that things are expensive here in northern NJ and things are expensive in Orlando, so I can't help but wonder what SF would charge for admission if they were in Orlando?

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-Rob
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Posting @ Coasterbuzz since 2000
E.C.C. member since 2002

Probably $40 to pull guests away. ;)

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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

Well, considering how SFGAdv "quality" is nothing close to Disney or Universal or Busch quality, I can't see how they could get away with charging the same price as the other Orlando parks.

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-Rob
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I think any one of those Orlando parks would actually charge more than they do if there wasn't so much competition in the area.

Then again, SFGAdv ain't the only gig in town. Still, it's a little more of a drive than Universal Studios to the Magic Kingdom.

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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

It's called, "higher, bigger and faster". The one thing the Orlando parks do not offer.

I think "higher", "bigger", and "faster" are probably all cheaper than "prettier".

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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

Yeah, but SF really is the most expensive gig in town... I am pretty sure that Dorney and Hershey both charge about $35 admission, and Lake Compounce is even less, I believe. Then again, if you take a dozen spins on the Coney Island Cyclone, you could easily spend the $50 it costs to get into SF!

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-Rob
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E.C.C. member since 2002

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janfrederick said:
I think "higher", "bigger", and "faster" are probably all cheaper than "prettier".

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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

Depends on your definition of pretty. I personally prefer nature's theming to the "pretty" artifice of Disney. Say, Bonfonte Gardens for instance. Your going to pay for *whatever* you get in abundance, rather it be theming or thrills.

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Rob Ascough said:
Then again, if you take a dozen spins on the Coney Island Cyclone, you could easily spend the $50 it costs to get into SF!

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But you'd have gotten more rides than you would in a typical day at Great Adventure :)

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--Maddie--
What do I Listen-To?
May the Schwarz be with you.

Actually, one of the great things about Disneyland is it's landscaping. It's almost like a botanical garden.

Now parking lot coasters on the other hand...
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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

When it comes to atmosphere, Disney is above and beyond all others. Ugly their parks are not.

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-Rob
A.C.E. member since 1990
Posting @ Coasterbuzz since 2000
E.C.C. member since 2002

Despite what most people think, I think Disney has done some of their best work with DCA. Pretty, but refreshingly un-pretentious. Partly acheived by accident I'm sure, but they have allowed this park to grow on you slowly, rather than slapping you in the face with the "you WILL love us" montra of some of their stuff.

What Disney still does better than anyone is their attention to detail.
*** This post was edited by DWeaver 9/17/2003 4:40:48 PM ***

I agree with you there. It feels more like a "park".

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"I go out at 3 o' clock for a quart of milk and come home to my son treating his body like an amusement park!" - Estelle Costanza

Interesting... I dont share your view on Spiderman, lol. The waiting line is real nice and is up there with the good Disney waiting lines. The ride... uhh, here's the story: villain A attack you, you get jolted and move to villain B... Villain C shove Villain B aside and also tries to get you and such and such. At the end, Villain A through E are wrapped up (how? well... you were too busy falling!) and the ride's over.

The only ride genre that Universal puts Disney to shame are the walkthrough/special effects attractions. Twister's good, Poseidon's Fury is the best attraction in the Universal Orlando resort for me.