Article on 'Top 10 Things SFMM Needs'....

Friday, August 31, 2001 6:16 PM
http://www.americacoasters.com has the article...is there anything you guys could add to this list?
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Friday, August 31, 2001 7:01 PM
Wonderful!  They pretty much covered everything I would say SFMM needs to be the best park in the world. The one thing I would add is a strict "Take no prisoners" attitude towards line jumpers which is really a pet peeve of mine.

I also think SFMM needs a second entrance near Colossus. It's a pain in the butt trying to get into the park in the morning. This second entrance should be used for season pass holders and people with special discount passes.

Well, that's two things...  ;)

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Friday, August 31, 2001 8:10 PM
the last thing sfmm needs is an other family/kiddie coaster i count 3 gold rusher,canyon blaster and goliath Jr
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Friday, August 31, 2001 8:25 PM
Wow, I disagre with almost all of those.  Most of those are things that are not problems at all, rather facts of coaster life.
10. Agree, kind of.  What makes you think this would be any faster than the current ones?

#9. Disagree.  Deja Vu, Freefall, Superman, and comming soon, X!

#8. Disagree. At least everything IS Themed.

#7. Disagree. OVERbraked?!? Trims exist almost everywhere.  If Goliath was UNbraked, people would come back unconsious.  Colossus has a midcourse... so?

#6. Disagree. It's called Ninja.

#5. Agree 100%.

#4. Agree, somewhat.  Technically, there is nothing "wrong" with Flashback.  We may WANT  to have this thing overhauled, but from an ROI standpoint, why do it ?

#3. Disagree. While new flats would be nice, current ones go unridden even on crowded days.  Why add new ones? Again, this is an ROI dilema.

#2. Disagree. Colossus is already the largest and best-known woodie in California.  Why mess with success, even if GR delivers a "better" ride. Colossus is bigger: and bigger is better! (in the GP's mind, anyhow)

 #1. Disagree. More wishing for the past.  How many rides go downhill after years of service?  All of them. Major restoration of OLD rides makes no finantial sence.

Sure ALL of these thingd WOULD make the park better, but most make absolutely no sence when it comes to making the park more profitable.  I guess my point is, wht whine about things that will never change?
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"X" marks the spot in 2001!

*** This post was edited by Soggy on 9/1/2001. ***

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 12:09 PM
the re-theming would be a really good idea
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Saturday, September 1, 2001 1:29 PM
This list represents all that MM fans can hope for.   This park can easily have the best coaster collection in the world if only they knew how to maintain rides.  This list should be sent by every buzzer that lives in socal to Six Flags PR.  As for soggy...what in the hell are you talking about?!  An S&S tower would provide the crowd relief Magic Mountain needs in the summer season.  CP has a freefall and the Power Tower, seems to work for them.  Yes trims exist everywhere but there comes a point where trims kill the entire ride.  The Flat rides at MM all suck, which is why they are not ridden.  Flashback as I've always preached is a very inovative ride and quite valuable when you consider the land it requires.  Minus the OTSR restraints, new paint, turn on the flashes, retrack, and I think this ride could be a winner.  When you say Colossus is better than GR you must be smoking crack.  You dont give the "GP" enough credit.  You and I are memers of this GP, and so is everyone else that surfs and posts on this site.  If we can tell the difference between a world class wooden coaster and a dilapidated, abused, classic then I think so can the rest of us.  Height doesnt matter anymore.  Just wait times, and the last time I checked, GR had more people in line.  (yes I know there are fewer rides at Knotts).  But its your respose to #1 that really knocks me sideways.  Please explain the logic you  used to come up with the gem of a statement.  I'm gonna try and use the same theories you did to explain a little better:  All rides, eventually become old and "go downhill" so therefore it would make no financial sense for parks to invest in maintanence at all.   I tell you this.  I would have rather seen half of the items on this list done to this park before Deja Vu or even X for that matter were built.  Yes this park does need a CCI.

"I'll disagree...."

"YES! X gets the square.

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 1:39 PM
I thought it was a good article, but a lot of these "rehab projects" are unlikely.  I'd LOVE to see all of the rehabs mentioned, I just don't think the GP demands them enough.  IMO, enthusiasts care more about HOW the rides run, and the GP cares more about how many, how tall, how fast, etc.  The new rides suggestions seem more likely to occur for the most part.  I'm holding out hope that Revolution gets what it needs (and deserves), so that enthusiasts at CoasterCon can appreciate the ride as it was designed - Schwarzkopf!  I thought Colossus forward/backward were great when I was there last Oct., but there were a few too many trims.  Psyclone has the best name of the CY-Clones, but was the weakest of the 3 I'd been on.  In honor of its namesake, it SHOULD be upgraded rather than downgraded.  (Aside:  WHY is PCar's STEEL ride called the Carolina Cyclone - it's neither wooden NOR a twister? - discussion topic for theming aficianados like me).  Both woodies running in top form to me outweighs adding another (probably cheaper too, but doesn't add to coaster COUNT).  If I understand right, Intamin's laminated lumber construction technique (as found on Colossos) will reduce wear-and-tear and lengthen the "good life" of a wooden coaster.  Let's hear it for hi-tech helping woodie fanatics!  Considering Flashback's design, moving it to another location in the park certainly is a better option - keep 15 coasters in park, at least until CoasterCon - you KNOW that's when they'll have 15 up and running simultaneously - it WILL be crowded, and a GREAT TIME!  Cosidering the "state of the art" in flats is changing, SF may move some of the older ones to "non-flagship" parks (pretty polite way of saying that, j/k) and buy a couple new ones in the next year or two.  Better theming, and improving the quantity/quality of staff are items the public simply hasn't demanded, and probably will not be addressed by SF anytime soon.  This is not intended to inflame anyone, simply stating my personal impressions and observations.  Finally, addressing the final issue - all "flagship" parks in the 21st century should have an S&S turbo-shot/drop ride as part of POP admission...Intamin Gyros are really cool too, but S&S is a powerful thrill ride!

I'll add that if SF hired me to do their theming, at little cost to them I would turn their scenery and theming into something that could rival IOA - I want your votes on election day!  Thank you, and good night!

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*** This post was edited by gatorwoodie on 9/1/2001. ***

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 6:54 PM
With Knott's joining the arms race for new and better rides, I think some of these renovations are going to be vital in the next 10 years or so.  Knott's already has all the things on the list, lets agree that its just the better park ( I love MM but common, all this crap just gets old), and now its going to be a building frenzy in Buena Park.  I can definetly see Knott's surpassing MM in attendance once they get a few more rides.
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Saturday, September 1, 2001 7:00 PM
The list is actually things that would make the park more "perfect".  Its kind of like an enthusiasts wish list...

-Jeff

http://americacoasters.com

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 9:33 PM
If by "more" you mean "not even close to but here's a start at" then yes I would agree with you.
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Saturday, September 1, 2001 10:02 PM
thriller-reincarnate: you are missing ALL of my points entirely.  Reread my post and think before you type.  And about the childish crack smoking comment, grow up.
Colossus was reprofiled for a reason, do you honestly think they would change it back to the way it was when the woman was ejected from the ride and killed?  Use you head for something besides a hat-rack.  Rides loke Colossus receive the amount of maintainance they need to keep them operating, but removing a MCBR, replace the -2G hill, get real.
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*** This post was edited by Soggy on 9/2/2001. ***

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 10:18 PM
thriller-reincarnate, I definitely agree with you on Knott's being the better park. Knott's is my favorite park out of the two. I love Magic Mountain too mainly because of their large amount of coasters, but I'd love to have something to do other than riding coasters. Their water rides are average while their flat rides are below average.

As for Knott's surpassing Magic Mountain's attendance, they have continued to do that for the past couple of years. I don't know if they will do it this year since DejaVu has opened and X is on the way. Knott's messed up not advertising Perilous Plunge the way they did Supreme Scream and GhostRider. In a way, that's good seeing as how it's been closed for a month ruining the idea it would be open this whole summer season. Anyway, Knott's needs to keep Perilous Plunge open next summer and give it some proper advertisements (highly doubted). With the new coaster for 2002 and hopefully hype for Perilous Plunge that the GP can see, I think Knott's will surpass Magic Mountain's attendace next year. Back to Magic Mountain, some things can't be changed because like Soggy said, Colossus was changed for a reason. Other than this, I hope things will shape up with other coasters and their need for better flat rides.

*** This post was edited by DLJ2stay on 9/2/2001. ***

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 10:34 PM
Soggy:  None of the things on the list are meant to come true.  Its not a list of "The Top 10 Most Likely Things That Will Happen To SFMM In The Future", and not a list of things to help the park financially.  Its just a list from an enthusiasts point of view for entertainment purposes, based on the opinion of the staff writers.

-Jeff

http://americacoasters.com

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Saturday, September 1, 2001 10:52 PM
It's all corperate people,  SFMM does not decide on rides, it the home office that decides whether or not SFMM gets a ride. 

Tell that too the president of Six FLags though staff issues SFMM can do that.

Flashback is open during the winter season and is supposed to open at night when HH closes.

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Sunday, September 2, 2001 8:12 AM
Would I like to see a CCI at SFMM? Of course!
Would I like to see some Huss flatrides at SFMM? Of course!
xbombman, as I mentioned in my first post, I agree that all of these things WOULD make the park better. Your "top 10" is an enthusiast's dream come true. The only thing to remember is that non-enthusiasts make up 99% (or more) of the park's revenues. The handfull of enthusiasts like us are a non-issue to the suits who make decisions like those. That is where my comments were comming from.

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*** This post was edited by Soggy on 9/2/2001. ***

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Sunday, September 2, 2001 10:44 PM
I really think SFMM should add an arrowbatic coaster or some type of wild mouse in the near future because the are low on cash after this years additions and these coasters are fairly inexpensive. I just rode Mulholland Madness 2 weeks ago at DCA, and it was great. It was my first time on a wild mouse and It is definatly a flat ride type of attraction because they are small, and they boost SFMM coaster count, so I think they should add one for 02. But don't get me wrong, I would really like to see a CCI woodie added soon.

*** This post was edited by arrowfreak on 9/3/2001. ***

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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 8:54 AM
Hey soggy, I just read your reply to my reply to your post,  and I think Im gonna have to stick with my argument here.  You have taken this and blown it way out of proportion. I can almost hear you screaming in my head as I read.  You are a crack smoker because not once in my entire reply did I mention anything about bringing back the double dip on colossus.  The ride is crap, pure and simple.  They should just tear down the second half and use it to keep people warm in Siberia.  You are obviously a fan of MM as am I but there comes a point when one must think: "This park jacked everything up".  All magic mountain cares about is new fandangled rides like X, rather than investing in some of the quality rides they already have.  I think you may have ridden Revolution one too many times and bumped your head too much.  Oh and just to be nice, and spare you some self-respect, I won't make a comment about your photo.  I tried.
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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 9:14 AM
PS- now I'm gonna say they should bring back the double dip.  The only reason that lady fell out was because she was too fat and couldnt fit in the restraint.
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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 9:49 AM
I'm not YELLING. I have well thought-out opinions about the article at ACN. It's obvious that you have no concept of ROI (which is the driving force of the theme park industry), and are making emotional "knee-jerk reaction" comments. I again say, the crack smoking comment is childish and uncalled for. Read the FAQ's of the site.

#1 on the ACN top 10 was "Restore Colossus and Rev to their former glory," and that was the one that you had the biggest problem with. BTW: removing the double dip would cause capacity to be lowered by one-third. There would be no midcourse, and only 2 trains would be able to run on each side. Great idea, dude. Ask anyone who rode Colossus in 1978, most would agree that it was too painful and violent to enjoy.

Do you really think the suits just sit around in the board room and ask each other "Which coaster can we brake to death this year?" Get a clue about what actually happens in the industry and the reasons for modifications to rides.

Go ahead and make any smart-alek remarks you want about my photo. I could care less about what you think. If you make enough crass comments, Jeff will ban you from the site. Have a nice day.

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Tuesday, September 4, 2001 10:05 AM
thriller-reincarnate, I am going to try to be nice here, but your post was really inappropriate. To take out a personal attack on Soggy because of a disagreement shows an absolute lack of maturity on your part. I was with you on the Colossus thing, but then you went into rants on SFMM and of all things, a silly comment on Soggy's looks, which kill all of your arguements and make you look like a troll.

Until you can give me quotes from SFMM's maintanance department on the state of Colossus or any other coasters form that park, you really don't know what your talking about. I ride and enjoy Colossus every weekend even though I can admit that the ride is not what it once was. So why tear it down? If most of the GP still rides and enjoys it.

I do agree they should race it, but other than that, leave it alone and focus on daily operations. Remember, parks aren't run by whiny enthusiasts. If you think you can do better, open your own park.

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