Article on Clermont Steel Fabricators in Ohio (B&M track)

Monday, November 7, 2005 5:29 PM
I enjoyed this article and found this quote particularly interesting. "Paramount's Kings Island does not have a B&M coaster, mostly due to the non-compete rights of other B&M coaster buyers, according to Miller."

Entire article link below.

Monday, November 7, 2005 6:01 PM
Nice article. I think I saw Tatsu and Goliath's pieces in the background. The "Tatsu" one could be Patriot... Who knows. Looks like they filmed it.. Anywhere we can see a video?

I wanna work there now *** Edited 11/7/2005 11:02:06 PM UTC by Keith2005***

Monday, November 7, 2005 6:06 PM
Must copy link above in browser all the way to /BIZ in order to work....

Or just click here

Edit for typo in link. *** Edited 11/7/2005 11:08:29 PM UTC by beast7369*** *** Edited 11/7/2005 11:10:08 PM UTC by beast7369***

Monday, November 7, 2005 6:07 PM
Fixed link:
*** Edited 11/7/2005 11:08:29 PM UTC by GoliathKills***

Monday, November 7, 2005 6:16 PM
So how did SFWOA got a floorless when they're much closer to CP?
Monday, November 7, 2005 6:16 PM
Non compete rights?

What about bush gardens,sea world and Ioa? *** Edited 11/7/2005 11:17:43 PM UTC by crazy horse***

Monday, November 7, 2005 6:42 PM
Non Compete rights is an option that the park has. For instance Kennywood could build a B&M coaster that stands 280 feet and goes upside down 10 times. They could then contract with B&M not to build another ride of that nature within so many miles of the park. IOA, Busch, etc... may not have added this to their coaster contracts. Not to mention that most of those contracts expire after so many years.
Monday, November 7, 2005 8:33 PM
So what park has those non-compete rights that supposedly prevent PKI from getting a B&M coaster? I wonder if PKI has ever considered a B&M coaster in the first place.
Monday, November 7, 2005 9:04 PM
Maybe GL or CP. It could have been possibly when GL was SFWoA. And CoasterKrazy i remeber reading somewhere that PKI actually has had B&M visit the park.
Monday, November 7, 2005 9:34 PM
SFKK has the closest B&M coaster to PKI.

I can't see PKI wanting to build anything resembling Chang tho, considering they just took King Cobra out of operation.

Monday, November 7, 2005 10:07 PM
What are the 4 coasters in the US? I count: Patriot, Tatsu and Goliath. Where will the fourth be?

Edit - This is not correct either. WoF does not have B&M currently. Correct? *** Edited 11/8/2005 3:15:08 AM UTC by Woodyman*** *** Edited 11/8/2005 4:16:18 AM UTC by Woodyman***

Monday, November 7, 2005 10:09 PM
Clermont Steel currently is working on four new coasters for U.S. amusement parks. All Miller could say is that the four new rides will be in parks in 2006 that currently have B&M coasters.

RCDB shows three announced so far for the U.S.: SFMM, SFOG, and WoF. Unless the author meant "North America" [which would then incorporate La Ronde's B&M] instead of U.S. then there's a fourth still coming. Correct?

edit - LOL woodyman...same thought, same time!

*** Edited 11/8/2005 3:09:59 AM UTC by Mamoosh***

Monday, November 7, 2005 11:06 PM
Swampfoxer, great link. I enjoyed the story.

I am new to posting, but not new to the world of roller coasters, rumors, and the like...

I would only offer the following observation, based on the following quotation:

Clermont Steel currently is working on four new coasters for U.S. amusement parks. All Miller could say is that the four new rides will be in parks in 2006 that CURRENTLY HAVE B&M coasters.

Observation: Since Worlds of Fun doesn't currently have a B&M Coaster, I doubt Mr. Miller was talking about them. SFMM and SFOG certainly fit into these criteria.

So, if we disregard Worlds of Fun and LaRonde, then there may be 2 B&M Coasters being manufactured for US Parks that no one knows about.

So in analyzing the situation, I find that B&M has 66 Coasters World Wide. If we take out duplicates and those outside the US, here are the current parks that HAVE a B&M already. (Some parks have many but are only counted once)

Busch Gardens Tampa

Busch Gardens Williamsburg

Cedar Point

Dorney Park

Geauga Lake


Knott's Berry Farm

Paramount's Carowinds

Paramount's Great America

SeaWorld Orlando

SeaWorld San Antonio

Silver Dollar City

Six Flags Fiesta Texas

Six Flags Great Adventure

Six Flags Great America

Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom

Six Flags Magic Mountain

Six Flags Marine World

Six Flags New England

Six Flags New Orleans

Six Flags Over Georgia

Six Flags Over Texas

Six Flags St. Louis

Universal Studios Islands of Adventure

Further breakdown of these parks will reveal that some have announced other plans for next year and some (like Tampa) had B&M love last year...

Busch Gardens Tampa (Probably not--Shreika last year)

Busch Gardens Williamsburg (?)

Cedar Point (Announced Already)

Dorney Park (Probably not--Hydra last year)

Geauga Lake (? Wildwater Kingdom Expansion?)

Hersheypark (Announced Already)

Knott's Berry Farm (Probably not--Silver Bullet 12/04)

Paramount's Carowinds (Announced Boomerang Bay)

Paramount's Great America (?Disk-O Coaster?)

SeaWorld Orlando (New Shamu Show / Kiddie Area)

SeaWorld San Antonio (New Shamu Show)

Silver Dollar City (New 'Fair' Area)

Six Flags America (? Water park expansion?)

Six Flags Fiesta Texas (?)

Six Flags Great Adventure (El Toro / Kiddie Nat'l Park)

Six Flags Great America (?)

Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom (?)

Six Flags Magic Mountain (Tatsu)

Six Flags Marine World (?)

Six Flags New England (a “family ride” and a “teen ride”)

Six Flags New Orleans (Probably not--Hurricane damage)

Six Flags Over Georgia (Goliath)

Six Flags Over Texas (Flat Ride Package)

Six Flags St. Louis (Dungeon Drop / Kiddie area?)

Universal Studios Islands of Adventure (?)

So, here are the question marks for next year (if all assumptions are correct, which is NOT likely):

1. Busch Gardens Williamsburg


3. SFGreat America


5. SF Marine World

6. Islands of Adventure

Just some fun observations...(sorry so long) *** Edited 11/8/2005 4:09:32 AM UTC by ArmsUp***

Monday, November 7, 2005 11:08 PM
More than expecting a 4th mystery coaster, I'd guess that the comment of "currently have B&M coasters" was the oversight/mistake.

But what do I know?

Monday, November 7, 2005 11:12 PM
1) WoF - Patriot (doesn't already have a B&M though)
2) SFMM - Tatsu
3) SFoG - Goliath

Who knows, alot of parks could still release plans late.

Edit - It also states that the 4 they are working on will be going to parks which already have a B&M coaster so : SFMM, SFog.

WoF doesn't already have a B&M. So there is still a 2 mystery B&M's being made if you look at it that way. *** Edited 11/8/2005 4:19:26 AM UTC by j_o_e_y__***

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 12:07 AM
I think it's beyond clear that the four rides he's talking about are Tatsu, Patriot, and the two Goliaths. Nitpicking the article isn't going to make any new coaster magically materialize.


Tuesday, November 8, 2005 12:12 AM
Yeah, like who would care about a coaster outside of north America? ;)

But yes, those ARE clearly the four referred to...even though Patriot Park (TM) currently has zero B&Ms.

No new coasters will be "magically materializing" though? Bummer. Unless you get paid to build them I suppose... :)

Tuesday, November 8, 2005 2:46 AM
My thoughts exactly: it's a misquote and the parks being referred to are SFMM, SFOG, La Ronde, and WoF.
Tuesday, November 8, 2005 8:29 AM
There's a fifth B&M going in next year anyway; Black Mamba at Phantasialand.
Tuesday, November 8, 2005 9:53 AM
It wasn't clear from the article, but do they also manufacture for Europe or just NA, Asia, Middle East, and (other) parts of the world?

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