Arrow Trains and Zero-g rolls

Monday, July 15, 2002 11:07 AM

Can Arrow trains and track, as they are configured now, allow for a zero-g roll? Considering that there aren't any Arrow coasters with a zero-g roll or inline-twist, I wondered if it was possible.

PS- I have a feeling that I have asked this before, but I tried the search and couldn't find anything. Sorry if it's a repeat. If you do close this thread, please provide a link to the other one. Thanks.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 12:00 PM
I do not see why not. They are articulated pretty much like an Intamin looper and they can do Zero G rolls.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 12:03 PM

I sort of think that the wheel assembly is too close to the shell of the train, and that there isn't enough range of motion to do it.

Though, I'm probably wrong. I just think that, if they could do it, they would.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 12:16 PM
I have a feeling it would be possible. However, due to the fact that the trains are only 2 across, they are quite a bit longer than a B&M. I'm not sure if the element would FEEL the same as on a B&M coaster. It may feel OK from the middle of the train, but I think the front & back of the Arrow train would not feel right.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 2:57 PM

I don't think so.

I hear Drachen Fire's camelback was supposed to be a Zero-g roll but they couldn't do it so they just put an air time hill in it's place.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 2:58 PM
Though the Pipeline didn't take off, it was Arrow's answer to heartlines and a nice one at that. The standard loopers can negotiate any type of track, but you'll have more play in the wheel assemblies than you would with the ones designed for Pipeline, which had upstops of equivalent size to the road wheels. Either way, the axle brackets pivot on the ends, so they could follow the twists just fine. I think Arrow trains would be a bit uncomfortable though, seeing how Volcano dumps you into the harness on those slow rolls. Current trains (which have much better contact with the rails) would do it, but I anticipate some hanging. With enough speed, and tilting of the inversion, they could eliminate that. SFMW's V2 is an example, and even though it runs an inverted train, it shows that riders stay seated as long as there is enough speed. Fortunately they offer a straightaway for the train to slow down on, otherwise it would be another Volcano. It just seems that the heartlines I have ridden (whether they are B&M, Vekoma or Intamin) were very comfy and didn't tend to dump me.
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Monday, July 15, 2002 4:00 PM

Well, I'm glad to hear that Arrow trains would be able to go through in-line twists. If they get back on their feet, they might be able to provide more elements on their coasters, since, apparently with Tennessee Tornado, they have the roughness thing smoothed out ( Pun intended - sorry, couldn't help myself ) Since Arrow coasters aren't desgined at the heartline of riders, would that have an effect on the in-line twist and if it can be done or not?

You mention the pipeline coaster, and that brings up another question of mine: Since current coasters are able to go through elements like Dive Loops and in-line twists, are Pipeline coasters obsolete? Can they provide something other types of coasters cant?

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Monday, July 15, 2002 4:11 PM
I believe they can do it with the trains.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:08 PM

It's been done, well, half of it - X's Rolling Flip as seen here; http://www.joyrides.com/sfmm/full/x8.htm

I reckon they can easily make this a full roll, that would be wild!

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:12 PM
X is a totally different story. We are talking about standard arrow looper trains, not 4 D trains.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:33 PM
Well, I meant that Arrow can build Zero-G Rolling track as with X. It's still the same track, minus the extra rails. As for standard trains, I don't see why not. It probably would have to be stretched out to allow sufficient clearance for the cars to roll.
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Monday, July 15, 2002 9:57 PM
i dont think that you would want one on an arrow, i bet you would hit your head fairly hard on it.... ouch.

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Monday, July 15, 2002 10:24 PM
same thing as SLUSHIE

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Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:38 AM

With their new trans there won't be a big problem with pain.

It could be done but as said before it would be a large element, as their wheel assemblies aren't artulcated, they can't roate indpendently of the train.

If arrow does get off their feet I woulden't be suprised if they re-redisgined their trains.

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