Arrow the best value??

How can it fail? Arrow proved they can make smooth coasters (Tenn. Tornado),designed new trains to be in constant contact with the track,X is built to with stand the all the forces (never seen so many head/foot choppers in my life on one ride),reduced lat G's,designed as a heartline,and it's post Toomer.

LOL, post-Toomer. Good one :).

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Coaster Bob said:
"How can it fail? Arrow proved they can make smooth coasters (Tenn. Tornado)

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Thats just *1* coaster. "X" is a totally different coaster.


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Dayuum, Your HOT!

But Tennessee Tornado is their most recent large coaster, next to X. It makes more sense to compare what the company has done lately than it does to compare what they built 10-15 years ago. Arrow can build large smooth coasters, only few of us have been out to Dollywood to know that first hand.

Good point, Fierce Pancake..But, if the Tennessee Tornado is so smooth, why havent other amusement parks went to Arrow for coasters similiar too it. I think most of us are just "waiting and see" cause we have no clue how "X" is going to perform. We cant say "X" is GOING to be smooth, based upon the Tennessee Tornado. They are two totally different coasters.

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Dayuum, Your HOT!

The Bat at PKI looked good on paper, and it there was a lot of hype for it.... but we all know that story....

Scotty

X will be a success rather it rides well or not, because the GP will flock to it. SFMM will be able to advertise it as new, original, and insane, and it will be, whether it rides well or not.

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Top Gun: The Jet Coaster Flights in 2001: 34
Coaster Tracks Ridden: 50
www.starcoasters.com

Just looking at X you can tell its going to be one hell of a ride. I think its going to bring Arrow back in a big way. I believe that they have fixed all the problems like others have stated with the Tennessee Tornado. People saying that X is a different coaster than the TT is true, but the technology is similar on both rides, so it should be smooth and flow as gracefully as any B&M coaster. Why does everyone want to bring up Arrow's past mistakes? You can point to any steel coaster company and find flawed designs. A company learns from their mistakes, and I think Arrow has. They have taken alot of time to ensure that the X will be a success, and just looking at it you can tell it will be.

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Coasterr said:
"Good point, Fierce Pancake..But, if the Tennessee Tornado is so smooth, why havent other amusement parks went to Arrow for coasters similiar too it."

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Well, look at it this way, how many parks have bought a sit-down loopers since TT was made? Here stateside, I can only think of one, SDC and Wildfire (which coincidentally is owned by the same people as Dollywood). All the other loopers have been this 'floorless' crud, currently only made by one company. Parks didnt go to Arrow for that cause Arrow didnt make that...that is until now with X: The World' first flying-floorless hybrid!
jeremy

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"Nobody writes about the planes that land." Steve Salerno Washington Times 7-10-01

X certainly has potential. Hopefully, X will work as expected without much unexpected downtime. My biggest hope for it to work is simply for other parks to have yet more choices when deciding on what to do next.

StarCoasters, Coaster Fantoms,

Like I said, it looks good on paper. Look how many things in History looked like a good idea, but flopped:

Nintendo Virtual Boy
IBM PC Jr.
Atari 7800
Bat (Kings Island)
The Edsel (Push button transmission)
AM Stereo
Cheeseburger on a Stick (Cedar Point)
Quadrophonic
Raging Wolf Bobs @ SFWoA
Mean Strak @ Cedar Point
Mariott Great America (Twin parks in LA and Chicago)


All of these things were great ideas, and looked good on paper, and in theory, but they all flopped. I hope it does not, I hope it is succesful, but you can never tell until it is released.

Don't forget that the Bat was a PROTOTYPE. If it was a flop (and my memories of riding it reveal a FAR better experience) then we wouldn't have been blessed with any other suspended. Look at how many others were made, in addition to the differences in design techniques through each one. Top Gun at KI is outstanding. Sometimes first attempts are more trouble than anticipated. Furthermore, both Marriott parks survived.....though they will never be as good as they were. But they aren't defunct!

Oh and Scotty, you forgot the McDLT!!!!! :)
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"Phantom's Revenge 1 was GREAT!"
www.angelfire.com/oh4/tk173

The Raven Crap? What planet do you live on, most out of control feeling I have ever had, its nuts.

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Did Steve Okomoto design Tenn Tornado?

I think that sounds like a bargain, but compared to CCI's it is outrageous! However the maintenance is lower on a steel coaster but not 12 million dollars worth lower!

For steel coasters X is a deal.

{Begin Sarcasm}Yes BeastieBrent, Raven is a totally overrated ride, every single person that's ridden it(aside from that one guy) are totally wrong, the ride just plain sucks.{End Sarcasm}

-Raven_Rider

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"Hold on tight, with all your might, and enjoy your flight on the Raven!"

I feel arrow has done all it's research for this ride. It will be smooth. I feel even B*M flying coaster will be pointless against X. You see since X seat can flip it can simulate quicker flying sensations. Remember how in Peter Pan he could make small flips while still moving. That is X. Vekoma is through with new designs in Flying coaster. It will become a clone. Arrow has already said A certain park has bought a 4d. Vekoma made flying. B&M will focus more on flying. Arrow Percieves flying the way we see in movies and cartoons. Hands down winner. Face it. We do not know B&M official train styles for air. But if it just flying and hyrbrid. I feel the battle is lost.

Yes you CAN get more bang for your buck with a woodie, but maintenance costs are a LOT higher, and most parks take the cheap way out by neutering the ride when upkeep gets too costly. Yes I did say NEUTERING. Yes the Raven is still a GREAT ride, but only one park in the world has Jeff Hammersly doing mainteneance to keep their woodies running FULL BORE! Every other park seems to take the easy way out and make their woodies slower so they don't "tear up the track". Hey, with admission prices what they are at most major parks, I want their ride maintenance people working HARD keeping their woodies running fast, and maybe spilling just a little grease on the tracks once in a while...

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rollergator - intent on improving the "guest experience" - coming soon to a park near you

Coaster Bob, Steve Okamoto works for Morgan - and he IS the deal!

Oh, and Taipan makes a good point about the post-Toomer era. How can you trust a guy who wouldn't even ride HIS OWN rides? More proof that Okamoto rules! B&M makes the smoothest inverting coasters, but Morgan (Intamin - 2nd) makes the best hypers. Of course, AC didn't do for me what it did for all my friends, and I haven't ridden Nitro, yet.
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rollergator - intent on improving the "guest experience" - coming soon to a park near you


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