Arrow clones

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:02 PM
While reading an incorrect fact, Pepsi Max Big One is a clone of Magnum XL-200, in a roller coaster book, I hypothesized that there were no arrow clones. After thinking for a while I could not think of any. I was wondering if anyone knew and could tell me.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:05 PM
Most of the corkscrew coasters are clones, the Arrow Launched loops are clones. Demon and SFGAM and PGA are clones. Viper at SFMM and Shockwave at SFGAM are clones. I am sure there are more.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:14 PM

Ah, but at least in my book the launched loops are no longer clones. Sidewinder @ SFEG is the only one left operating now. I guess it depends on your definition of clone, and if more than one needs to be operating in order to be classified as one. Just an interesting fact.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:17 PM

Afterburner still operates at Fun Spot in Angola, IN.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:28 PM
Viper at SFMM and Shockwave at SFGAm aren't clones but are very similar. But as Magnum Force said most the corkscrews are clones and there are alot of them.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:32 PM

We went through this a couple months ago, Shockwave and GASM are in fact clones. Just a little bit different in height and length. Just like all Batman:The Rides are clones even though they are mirrored or ones a little taller etc etc.

Edit- ANyway thats what I meant. Viper is in fact the one that is different, not GASM. GASM and Shockwave are the clones.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:33 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Carolina Cyclone and the Canyon Blaster are Arrow clones...


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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:34 PM
Also a Arrow shuttle looper still operates at Blackpool.

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Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:29 PM
You guys pretty much covered it, though KI's Top Gun and Canada's Vortex are extremely similar as well. It's the terrrain that makes them seem different. As long as none of these clones start to attack..... (enter cymbal....anytime)....
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Thursday, April 25, 2002 3:21 AM
The Demon's aren't clones, SFGAm's Demon is longer (and in much better quality.) I wish are had some intensity, no strong mid course brakes, and actuaally got the cave tunnels back. Wide did PGA have to go to Paramount? Six Flags Great America just left this one in the dust practically.

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:09 AM
The last of the four lauched loops, Thunderbolt Express at Camden Park is supposed to re open this year.

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:02 AM
I only wish the Pepsi Max Big One was a clone of Magnum XL-200 :)
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Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:59 AM
Vertigo, the Demons are as much clones as GASM and Shockwave. Sure, they may be slightly different lengths or heights, but they are nearly identical. I'm guessing you're going by RCDB's stats. If they are different, it may just be a mistake on RCDB's part. They aren't god, you know, so they don't know everything. But still, if the lengths are different, it's probably just because of terrain. Mariott built two identical parks, and told Arrow to build two identical coasters. A few years later, Mariott told Arrow to modify two identical coasters so they were still identical. They are clones.

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:10 AM

...without getting into the technical aspects of coaster DNA...the ones listed are all clones (at least in my book), with the possible exception of Carolina Cyclone and Canyon Blaster. Since I've not ridden CB...YET, I can't say.

Edit: Should be noted that I have NO problem with any decent layout being cloned again and again...I even love the Rollerskaters!

But I must renew my objection to the name Carolina Cyclone...not wood, not a twister, NOT a "Cyclone"...

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:20 AM

No one has mentioned the Arrow mice! I'd say they're all clones.

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:22 AM
Clones are one thing, catalog modes are another. The shuttles , mice, and 2-inversion Corkscrews are Catalog Models, the rest are clones
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Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:00 AM

Good point, John, I didn't think about it like that.

Aaron, who wouldn't mine seeing a catalog-model Arrow mouse at Wyandot Lake!

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:49 AM

Speaking of Arrow shuttles, I know of the following:

Sidewinder @ SFEG

Diamond Back @ Frontier City

Afterburner @ Fun Spot

Revolution @ Blackpool

And don't forget SBNO Thunderbolt Express, Python @ SFA (storage) and Black Widow @ that field in Indiana (storage).

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:13 PM

MagnumForce said:
Most of the corkscrew coasters are clones, the Arrow Launched loops are clones. Demon and SFGAM and PGA are clones. Viper at SFMM and Shockwave at SFGAM are clones. I am sure there are more.

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Gasm and Shockwave are clones Gasm is just 3 feet taller but one thing I don't get is. How come they both have the same length drop but gasm is 68 mph and Shockwave is 65? I don't get that Gasm is just 3 feet tall andthey have the same lenght drop of 155ft, but Gasm is faster.

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Thursday, April 25, 2002 4:50 PM

TrBiggar said:
Vertigo, the Demons are as much clones as GASM and Shockwave. Sure, they may be slightly different lengths or heights, but they are nearly identical. I'm guessing you're going by RCDB's stats. If they are different, it may just be a mistake on RCDB's part. They aren't god, you know, so they don't know everything. But still, if the lengths are different, it's probably just because of terrain. Mariott built two identical parks, and told Arrow to build two identical coasters. A few years later, Mariott told Arrow to modify two identical coasters so they were still identical. They are clones.

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I'm going by what I've ridden, not RCDB. Ours, at PGA, does not have as much height. Then the tunnels through the loop and cave are gone. Then unlike the turn SFGA's, the turnaround thru the forest is longer, braked, and angled. Next, your corkscrews are going diagonal and lead into a helix in a to the side. PGA's corkscrews are tighter together and are straight in a row, followed by the helix which directly in front of you. Then your break run is seperated by a turn, PGA's goes perfectly straight. SFGAM's had to be built differently to fit the terrain unlike ours that is on flat land. in the end we have the same elements but both were built to fit their own terrain which gives them slight diffrences.

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