Monday, March 10, 2003 4:12 AM
For anyone who cares...the arrow 4d was finally granted its patent under the company S&S-Arrow.

Here is the link.....

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6523479.WKU.&OS=PN/6523479

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Monday, March 10, 2003 5:20 AM
Interesting reading. From what I can see they even mention the possibility of rotating the riders outward. And in yet another section mention a stand-up (by quoting *eek* Togo's standup patent)

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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)

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Monday, March 10, 2003 5:57 AM
Make sure to check out drawing #2.. interesting layout..

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services - 2002-2003
Frightzone Screamster - 2002-2003

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Monday, March 10, 2003 6:25 AM
That's the lay-out insiders claim has been developed for Six Flags European Division.

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Monday, March 10, 2003 11:21 AM
Could you please provide the link to the drawing. I tied to look it up unsuccessfully.

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X is UP and it's RUNNING

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Monday, March 10, 2003 11:28 AM
CB... I am not sure if this link will work...but here goes... http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US006523479&PageNum=2&IDKey=6DB13BEB7D5C&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=6523479.WKU.%2526OS=PN/6523479%2526RS=

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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)

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Monday, March 10, 2003 11:37 AM
Thanks for trying

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X is UP and it's RUNNING

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Monday, March 10, 2003 11:40 AM
Ok, then click on the link that Proto posted. Then click on IMAGES then go to page 2 there...be patient...the image pages take a while to load...

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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)

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Monday, March 10, 2003 12:04 PM
I tried to load the images & got nothing,zero,zip,nadda as far as any patent drawings are concerned. :(
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Monday, March 10, 2003 12:33 PM
you cant do it using netscape, if thats the browser your using
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Monday, March 10, 2003 6:26 PM
I cant load them either.

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"Get high With Me Cuz I'm Fly"

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Monday, March 10, 2003 6:27 PM
I remember hearing about the whole 4 rails concept being scratched, the seat rotations would be controlled by a single rail in-between the two running rails. From the description on the patent, it sounds like they're sticking with 4 rails. Anyone else remember this, or am I just making things up? :)

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Never Has Gravity Been So Uplifting.

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Monday, March 10, 2003 6:36 PM
Bull, why would Arrow want to scratch something that is working anyway and replace it with something that hasn't even been tested and waste millions and millions of more dollars trying the have the 3rd rail in the middle?

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Chris Knight
Who is hoping to make it to his first SRM.
Coming to WOF in 2003: A New Dippin' Dots stall :-)

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:41 AM
Don't forget...Patents take a while to get approved. If this patent was just approved, it had to have been years in the making. It is not as if they could recently come up with the new design idea and just tack it on the end here - they will (if they do go forward with the single control rail) have to file a new patent for it and reference this patent in their new request.

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--George H
---Superman the ride...coming to a SF park near you soon...
Currency tracking experiment... http://www.wheresgeorge.com (Referring to The "George" on the $1 bill - Not Me)

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:01 AM
The three raisl system is also described and drawn out..

As for using something that isn't working or tested? Who's to say it hasn't been. Am I the only one who remembers the 30 second video of Arrow testing a 4D car on a small pice of track in a workshop? That was what?? 1-2 years before X was built.

Also willing to bet a single rail system would be alot cheaper to make once it comes to actualy building a caoster, half the steel.

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June 11th, 2001 - Gemini 100
VertiGo Rides - 82
Technical Services - 2002-2003
Frightzone Screamster - 2002-2003

*** This post was edited by Red Garter Rob 3/11/2003 9:01:52 AM ***

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:49 AM
In theory, a single-rail system would be more reliable due to less moving parts, or less parts that are required for the rotation. The single-rail system (3-rail as oppossed to 4-rail) was mentioned in a recent interview that S&S-Arrow did.

As for viewing the images, I believe you must have Quicktime installed. For some reason, my browser wanted to view these as Quicktime extensions and required me to install another part of Quicktime before I could view them.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:15 AM
Yes, you need Quicktime installed.

Arrow's website says their Virginia Reel coaster uses a 3-rail system. Obviously they're trying to cover all possibilities under the patent. Smart.

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Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:20 AM

colincsl said:
you cant do it using netscape, if thats the browser your using

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm using Mozilla and it works fine. Netscape is nothing more than altered Mozilla code at this point so I can't see there being any problems with Netscape working.

The only thing you might have to do is install the Quicktime images piece if you don't already have it installed.

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