Any pics of Pretzel Loops?

Wednesday, July 4, 2001 1:42 PM
Any pics of Pretzel Loops? I can't find them anywhere.
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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 1:46 PM
Go to Guide to the Point, and go to galleries, then to Magnum XL-200, then click on the turn around photos.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 4:02 PM
A true pretzel loop?

Simple... some people or rollercoaster companies define it as a Boomerang element. I say a boomerang element is a half-loop, two half-corkscrews, and a half-loop again reversing your direction 180 degrees (as opposed to the heart loop, found on all cloned Vekoma SLC's which keep you going in the same direction). The pretzal element is a half-corkscrew, 2 half-loops, and a half-corkscrew again turning you back in the direction you came!

There is one located at Six Flags Darien Lake pictured here:
http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery224.htm?Picture=2

Companies can call them what they want to... but I wish there was an industry standard what a specific element is...

ie: Corkscrew, Boomerang, Cobra Roll, Zero-G Roll, Heartline Roll, Pretzal...etc.

Some of those are the same thing! Kind of confuses the average person.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 4:10 PM
Try this link:
http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery4.htm?Picture=3
This is shockwave at SFGA , not a great pic but...

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 5:06 PM
Arrow calls those, Horse shoes

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:25 PM

Dawg Byte said:
"The pretzal element is a half-corkscrew, 2 half-loops, and a half-corkscrew again turning you back in the direction you came!"

Actually, what you are describing is usually considered a batwing or sea serpent element or something else, but I'm pretty sure not a Pretzel. I am pretty sure a pretzel does not invert and is the type of turn around found on magnum.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 8:39 PM
Try this link:

http://www.guidetothepoint.com/thepoint/gallery/img.asp?img=cp98magnumta2.jpg&des=The+turn-around+on+the+beach.

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 10:34 PM
All 3 of the Arrow mega-loopers have what is considered a pretzel loop. When Shockwave debuted at SFGAm, they considered the 4th and 5th inversion a pretzel loop. If its not considered that today, it is news to me. Here is a good pic of the pretzel on Shockwave.
http://www.rcdb.com/installationgallery4.htm?Picture=3

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Wednesday, July 4, 2001 11:28 PM
If that is indeed a "pretzel loop," the late Steel Phantom also had one. I've always referred to it as a boomerang.

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Thursday, July 5, 2001 1:46 AM
What is a "Butteryfly" then - and please don't say an insect that flies!

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Thursday, July 5, 2001 2:27 AM
Hey
This is what is known as a pretzle . The boomerang element is close but not quite.
http://www.kcc.zaq.ne.jp/richard/Zekkyo/FUJIYAMA/Moon1.jpg
This was Moonsault scramble but due to the complaints of MASSIVE G-forces of 6.5G's (and it being rough) it was replaced in 2000.

Hopefully Meshio will build another one as they are still in the brochure for sale.
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Thursday, July 5, 2001 6:58 AM
http://www.coasterforce.com/inversion.htm

This is the inversion reference i always use and they all come with a picture.

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Thursday, July 5, 2001 8:36 AM
Basically it's an inversion or turn that you enter and exit in the same location. That's how I look at it. Depends on the type of the coaster.

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Thursday, July 5, 2001 2:31 PM
..And like I said before earlier in the thread.

It is referred by a lot of people and coaster companies by many different names. Some people come up with their own names for the elements. Unfortunately, there is no standard... so it gets a little confusing.

A "pretzel" element is called so because it kind of looks like an actual pretzal. Shockwave and Viper at SFDL are a couple examples...

...but many call it other things. The name is not concrete.

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Friday, July 6, 2001 11:30 AM
http://www.wilkes2536.freeserve.co.uk/coasters/elements.htm

I created the ultimate elements list so can we solve these problems for good.

John Wilkes

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Friday, July 6, 2001 12:55 PM
John Wilkes: Dragon Mountain is in Canada, not the USA, just thought I'd let you know:)

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Friday, July 6, 2001 2:36 PM
Interesting list of elements, John Wilkes... however... doesn't Dragon Mountain in Marineland, CANADA(!!!) have the double loop as well?

After the first hill and it makes the left turn, it goes into two immediate loops. I don't know if they are different sizes or not... but it's basically the same thing.

Again digging into the double loop element. The park that has the "Quantum Loop" is Seabreeze in Rochester, NY... just for your information. You provided all other elements with the proper coaster to the proper park, thought I'd key you in on where that's located!

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